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Transcript
of Different Loving Conference on AOL for 03-01-98
with Gloria Brame (THRVGloryB) and moderators THRVBuja and
THRVPashun
TOPICS
Auto-Fellatio
"Different Loving" GloryB's Web Site
Safe Words--Verbal/Non Verbal
The Importance of Trust and Honesty in a Dom/Sub relationship
Satisfying One's Curiosity about BDSM
Beginning a Dom/Sub relationship
THRVBuja:
Greetings everyone! Please join me in welcoming Gloria Brame
(
THRVGloryB)...
THRVBuja:
Gloria, nice to see you again... and it was wonderful having
dinner with you the other night!
Guest
1: good to have you Gloria
THRVBuja:
Gloria will be here for the next hour to answer all your questions
about BDSM and kink of all kinds!
Guest
2: ?
THRVBuja:
Take it away Glory!
THRVGloryB:
Thanks, Buja (and thanks also for that..um...business meeting)
:-) I'm not sure exactly what Buja wants me to take away...But
I am happy to see you all here tonight. Welcome all!
THRVBuja:
God I wish I had more business meetings like that! ;)
THRVGloryB:
I see we already have a question, so...Guest2? Want to go ahead?
THRVBuja:
I think I see a question...
THRVPashun:
Guest2, please go ahead
THRVGloryB:
Buja--I'll see if that can be arranged.
Guest
2: is it wrong to want to suck on your own penis?
THRVBuja:
<-- racking his brain for the BDSM angle on this :)
Guest
1: you are a more flexible guy than me Guest2
THRVGloryB:
Uhhhhh..... :-)
THRVBuja:
Did we fluster the esteemed GloryB? :)
THRVPashun:
Guest2, you might want to visit our Sexuality Salon with our
Sex Experts :)
Guest
3: ?
THRVGloryB:
Nothing sexual is "wrong" (unless it is non-consensual)....
THRVGloryB:
since you are doing it with yourself, one assumes you've consented
to your partner. But as Guest1 points out--it takes a pretty
flexible spine!
Guest
1: Glory..beautiful philosphy
Guest
3: gloria, thx for your books, when is sub women speak
due out?
THRVPashun:
Guest3, please go ahead :)
THRVGloryB:
Fluster me? Au contraire, Buja: I was just trying to visualize
it... and got lost in the pleasant daydream for a moment. :-)
There's a famous porn actor, Ron Jeremy, who's big claim to
fame is his ability to suck his own penis
THRVBuja:
Ron Jeremy, yes I know him....
Guest
1: GLory...for me I always prefer have some assistance
with that
THRVGloryB:
Guest 3: you'll have to ask Jon and Polly about that one! :-)
THRVBuja:
His nickname is The HedgeHog.
THRVGloryB:
I have no affiliation with that book at all. The HedgeHog? The
elephant would be more like it!
THRVPashun:
LOL
THRVBuja:
I think it has to do with all the fur.
Guest
3: LOL, ok thanks, my misunderstanding.
THRVGloryB:
Who ever noticed the hair on his body??
THRVBuja:
But, Guest3, if you haven't read Gloria's Different Loving,
you really should. It is wonderful. Well, you can't help but
notice it on his rather large butt.
Guest
3: I have it, read it, great book Glory.
THRVGloryB:
Guest1--you like to keep the "service" in "oral service," eh?
:-)
Guest
1: just bought it today Gloria..hope you don't mind that
I bought it used Gloria..isn't service what life is all about
??
THRVGloryB:
Guest 1: WHAT? I feel so used! ;-) Now that is an interesting
philosophy,
Guest1. Care to expand?
THRVPashun:
Folks, don't be shy...Glory is here just for YOU :)
Guest
1: ???
THRVGloryB:
AHEM! Well, Pashun, darling, let's not make me sound too much
like a public utility. :-)
Guest
4: ?
THRVPashun:
I meant for questions :) LOL
THRVBuja:
Glory is very selective about her... utilities.
THRVPashun:
Guest1, please go ahead:)
Guest
1: can I be direct GLoria? I havent read your book yet
but is your interest academic or first hand so to speak
THRVGloryB:
Whew. Thanks for the clarification. (adjusting leather miniskirt)
THRVPashun:
Guest4 you are next after Guest 1:)
Guest
1: Hey..I work for a public utility
THRVBuja:
And Glory does look *very* good in a leather miniskirt! ;)
Guest
4: can a safe word be non-verbal?
Guest
2: ?
THRVBuja:
Guest 1: can I be direct GLoria? I havent read your book yet
but is your interest academic or first hand so to speak
THRVGloryB:
You haven't read my book...or visited my website, I see. :-)
Guest
2: A personal question for the author...are you strait
or bi?
Guest
5: lol
THRVGloryB:
Buja, are you enjoying repeating that particular question? :-)
Guest
1: going to punish me ??? pretty please?
THRVBuja:
Sorry, just trying to be helpful :)
THRVPashun:
folks...please wait until Glory has a chance to answer the question
:)
THRVGloryB:
Guest 1: I'm a sadomasochist.
A cheerful sadomasochist, I might add. :-) I'm also a writer/journalist.
So I decided to write about what I knew. I've been "out" in
the Scene about 11+ years. But I (and my co- authors, all of
whom are also SMers) did try to write the most objective and
seriously researched book we could.
THRVPashun:
Guest4, could you please ask your question again?:)
Guest
4: can a safe word be non verbal
THRVGloryB:
Okay! Guest4, you're next, I believe. Yes, you can have a "safe
signal." Example: if you have your partner in bondage, with
a gag, you might give him/her something noisy to hold in his/her
hand, to shake if things start to push a limit. Some doms use
other signals (like head or eye movements)
Guest
1: ??..since we don't seem to hhave many questioners
THRVGloryB:
Guest 2: I am heterosexual when it comes to sexual things but
"bi- kinky" (which means I might also dominate a woman, should
the whim arise. )
THRVPashun:
Guest2, go right ahead with your question :)
THRVPashun:
Guest1, you may ask your question :)
THRVGloryB:
Guest1--say, I thought you were dominant! Sheesh!
Guest
4: ?
Guest
1: Glory..any advice on satisfying your curiosity when
your spouse thinks its nuts?
THRVGloryB:
That depends on just how much satisfaction it takes to slake
your curiosity. :-)
Guest
1: follow up
THRVGloryB:
If all you're looking for is a window on this world, there are
literally thousands of Websites you could visit, which cover
the gamut of SM/fetish sexuality. However, if you seek real-life
experience, then you have to decide whether your marriage could
withstand your need to experiment.
Guest
3: ?
THRVPashun:
queue after Guest1...Guest4 and Guest3
Guest
1: well the D/s rooms here are very interesting and as
you know its possible to be an online D/s...how should one proceed
with in the cyber world?
THRVGloryB:
I always recommend that you try to enlighten your partner first
and to have frank discussions. Offering her books to read about
the subject might help
Guest
4: what do you do if your dom doesn't listen to your
safe word
Guest
1: good idea
THRVGloryB:
Inviting her to come with you on-line sometime to see for herself
that the people doing this are normal (or relatively normal
) might at least give you some good conversation starters.
Guest
1: tried that
THRVGloryB:
Guest4, that is a VERY serious question! Doms who give you safe
words but then ignore you when you use them are (not to put
too fine a point on it) DANGEROUS and UNTRUSTWORTHY. Guest4,
have you or a friend had such an experience?
Guest
4: a friend
THRVGloryB:
Is that friend still serving that dominant?
Guest
4: she liked BDSM until that time now she is afraid to
go back to or trust anyone that is in BDSM
THRVGloryB:
Well, that is certainly understandable. It's a profound violation
of trust, and the intimate contract between the two, when a
dom refuses to play by the terms s/he agreed to. Personally,
I am quite ambivalent about using safe words precisely for that
reason. Some submissives are lulled into a false sense of security,
that as long as they have a safeword they can trust people they
don't know that well.
Guest
4: I am new to BDSM and because of what happened to her
I am afraid to try it in some ways
THRVGloryB:
Guest4, I can understand that. But the dom who ignored your
friend's
Guest
6: ?
THRVGloryB:
safeword is the exception, not the rule. The lesson to be learned
from this, really, is KNOW THY PARTNER. A dominant should EARN
the sub's trust. Actually, I recently posted a set of guidelines
for people who are playing with others for the very first time.
The URL: http://gloria-brame.com/domidea/playsafe.htm
Guest
7: !
Guest
3: any suggestions for pacing a scene, balancing pain
and arousal? and when enough is enough? especially if the sub
won't or can't say "when"
THRVPashun:
Guest7, go ahead with your comment...
Guest
4: she did she did know him for a month before doing
any thing with him
Guest
7: I always suggest to new people that they be sure that
their dominant or top will respect the word "No" before they
start playing around with resistance play where "No" means something
else and then you add safeword play when you know you can trust
THRVGloryB:
Guest7, absolutely right on that.
THRVGloryB:
Guest4, did she "know" him on-line, or did she play with him
for a month?
Guest
1: thanks Guest7
THRVBuja:
Point very well taken Guest7!
Guest
4: she met him online then they met publicly for about
a week before they did anything
Guest
8: omg
THRVGloryB:
So she only met him once before playing with him?
Guest
4: I think 2 times
THRVGloryB:
Again, I really recommend you take a look at the piece I put
on my website. It covers all this.
Guest
4: I will
THRVPashun:
Glory, would you like Guest3 to ask the question again?
THRVGloryB:
Thanks, Pashun, but I've got it here on my screen.
THRVPashun:
ok :)
THRVBuja:
Glory is ever versatile :)
THRVGloryB:
Guest3--my first question back to you is whether you want advice
on pacing a scene with someone you play with regularly or someone
totally new. Obviously, the better you know someone, the more
you can push.
Guest
3: this is a new in love relationship, we are living
together, and both into D/s but also beginners, this is very
HOT stuff and I don't want to crash n burn.
THRVGloryB:
Thanks, Pashun...I think I'm actually starting to get the hang
of this. :-)
THRVGloryB:
Ah! First, congrats. How nice! I love to hear about loving relationships.
Since you do have a long-term relationship, I think your best
bet is to build the foundation for trust slowly and very solidly.
That means that you experiment very slowly. For example, you
might not want to give her (assuming she's the sub ) everything
she necessarily wants the first few times.
Guest
3: btw, she is here online, Guest9, on her own computer,
so how do we resist the temptation to just go balls to the walls?
Guest
8: ?
THRVGloryB:
Uhhh...DEFINITELY. :-)
Guest
10: ?
THRVGloryB:
A little frustration isn't bad for a subbie.
Guest
9: gee, thanks.
Guest
3: LOL, yep I agree :-)
THRVGloryB:
Come to think of it, a LOT of frustration is kind of fun! (For
the dom, I mean.)
Guest
7: balls to the walls? I like that idea
THRVGloryB:
If we weren't on THRIVE I might make some inappropriate remark
about nailing those balls to the walls but since we would never
in any way wish to suggest such edgy activity in a HEALTH magazine...
:-) Nailing your mouth shut?
THRVBuja:
:::closing my eyes::: :::covering my delicate ears:::
Guest
1: so politic GLory
THRVBuja:
Did I miss something someone said? No? Good!
THRVGloryB:
(waving crop in dignified manner) Thank you, Guest1.
THRVGloryB:
Guest3--I'm sure Guest9 will be delighted to hear this...but
leaving a sub begging for more can be quite thrilling. I believe
my own subs can attest to that. :-)
Guest
9: you're not helping me here, Glory.
THRVGloryB:
That's because you didn't ask me a question, Guest9. I am just
doing my level best to be supportive to your Master. :-)
THRVBuja:
Little Domme to Dom bonding :)
Guest
3: oboy, Guest9 is in sooooo much trubble now! :-)
THRVGloryB:
You know, Guest 3: a little whimpering, a little tearful pleading,
many promises to be a good girl. That sort of thing is music
to a dom's ears. Or as Julie Andrews sang, "These are a few
of my favorite things!"
THRVPashun:
Guest8, please go ahead with your question :)
Guest
3: thanx Glory.
THRVBuja:
Good luck to both of you -- you sound great together!
THRVPashun:
Guest10, you will be next after Guest 8:)
Guest
9: : ) thanks!
Guest
8: how can i incorporate my infantilism into a more mutual
experience within my marriage?
Guest
3: Ditto :)
THRVGloryB:
(Why do I get the feeling there will be a whole lot of begging
ahead in Guest3 and Guest9's relationship?)
Guest
1: PASHUN..can you give me a link for this room?
THRVGloryB:
Guest8, is your partner aware of your interest in diapers?
THRVBuja:
Guest9 will be back next week!
Guest
8: yes..very much so
THRVGloryB:
How does she (or he) feel about it?
THRVPashun:
Guest1...I can help you find it again, but there is no link.
Please send me email and I will help you:)
Guest
1: OK
THRVGloryB:
(Maybe Guest9 will come back with a question about how to get
her Master to let her cum more often.) :-)
Guest
8: she accepts and participates,but how can i get her
to accept my aol obsession?
THRVBuja:
You mean "come here" more often I am sure :)
THRVGloryB:
What's the connection between your AOL obsession and your diaper
fetish?
Guest
8: she feels that talking to other ab's on aol and looking
at pictures is cheating on her?
THRVGloryB:
Oh, why, of course, Buja! That's exactly what I meant. (rolling
eyes)
THRVGloryB:
Guest8, have you ever invited her to join you during on-line
chats? Perhaps if she met some of your adult baby pals she wouldn't
feel so threatened?
Guest
8: we have...but I have failed to keep it mutual..HER
before THEM
THRVGloryB:
Meaning that you spend more time on-line with the ABs than enjoying
your wife's company? I think you probably already know that
if a person is spending more time on-line with cyber-friends
than with his or her spouse, the marriage needs to be examined.
Guest
8: YES...thats the problem..she feels I would rather
be w/ them than her In what way?
THRVGloryB:
What do you get from your on-line friends that you aren't getting
from your partner? Generally speaking, Binky, if you find the
on-line world more satisfying and exciting than your marriage,
you need to find out how to make things more satisfying at home.
The amount of time you spend on-line could be a signal that
you need more than what your partner is giving you.
Guest
8: she's trying to understand it all,and i enjoy learning
from other people I started counseling the otherday..hopefully
it will put me on the right track..Thanks I'm done now
THRVGloryB:
Okay, Guest8, very glad to hear it. May I just add one more
comment, though?
Guest
8: yes?
THRVGloryB:
Try to make sure your counselor is sympathetic to your fetish
before you commit to that particular therapist.
Guest
1: ahhhh..crucial!
Guest
8: she is
THRVGloryB:
Oh, good! That's great. It's such a tragedy when BDSMers visit
a therapist who tries to "cure" them of their sexuality.
THRVPashun:
Guest10, please go right ahead :)
Guest
10: What do you think about a man that wants to watch
his girlfriend have intercourse with another man?
THRVGloryB:
Hi, Guest10. I think that if the man in question, his girlfriend,
and the 2nd man ALL agree that this would be exciting then it's
perfectly acceptable
Guest
10: hi. What if the girlfreind isnt ready for something
like that
THRVGloryB:
If she isn't ready, then her limits should be respected. I hear
occasionally from dominants who assume that because someone
is submissive s/he MUST accept polyamory.
Guest
10: Do you think relationships are based on sex? hmm
THRVGloryB:
In my opinion, adult sex is all about MUTUAL CONSENT.
Guest
10: that makes sense some people say it just means the
guy doenst really care for you
THRVPashun:
Ladies and gentlemen, we have time for only one more question!
Any takers?:)
THRVGloryB:
I think sex is a crucial component of an intimate adult relationship.
Guest
9: ?
THRVGloryB:
Guest10, nah. Some people are turned on by threesomes and voyeurism,
etc. There is nothing evil or sleazy in that. Again, it all
comes down to mutual consent, mutual pleasure, in the act.
THRVPashun:
Guest9, you've got it! :)
Guest
10: yep
Guest
11: ?
Guest
9: what's your best advice for a sub about to embark
on a 24/7 relationship? (and I WILL come next week :)
THRVGloryB:
Uh-Oh! Guest9 is gunning for me! :-)
THRVBuja:
come here or cum next week?
Guest
9: lol
THRVPashun:
ahem :) hahaha
THRVGloryB:
The best advice is: BE HONEST. The worst thing any sub can do
is to keep secrets from his/her dominant. This ranges from going
along with something that makes you unhappy just "to please"
your dominant, to hiding things about yourself or your past,
because you think your dom won't love you as much if he "knew
the real you."
Guest
3: I can't stop her from coming, I growl and she comes...
Guest
11: complaining Red Crow???
Guest
3: Nope. not me. not ever.
Guest
10: is sex a game seems like just a game to some
Guest
11: lol
THRVGloryB:
A sub should be able to trust her dom with the absolute truth.
And a dom should take that trust as the ultimate gift and not
abuse it. Thus spake Glorathustra. :-)
Guest
9: hear that, Guest3? Thanks Glory.
Guest
3: yup
THRVBuja:
Oh, you kids :)
Guest
1: LMAO...can hear the music now GLoria
THRVGloryB:
(But you still might not be able to "come here" next week.)
Guest
11: mite be able to come...but not sit
Guest
9: I'm not above begging.
THRVGloryB:
Begging is good!
Guest
3: on yer knees beloved wench.
Guest
10: Is sex a game then?
THRVGloryB:
Guest3--that reminds me of an old Woody Allen joke..."my wife
could come at the drop of a hat....unfortunately, I never wore
a hat to bed."
Guest
3: Yessss?
Guest
10: lol
THRVPashun:
LOL
Guest
3: ojeeez...
Guest
9: ROFL
THRVBuja:
And, on that note... that's about all we have time for tonight...
Guest
11: pssst...Guest9? Better buy Guest3 a hat soon!
THRVGloryB:
<---has MANY hats.
Guest
9: lol
Guest
10: lol
THRVBuja:
Thank you for joining us...Glory will be back to answer more
of your questions...next week, and impart more of her Glorathustra
wisdom.
THRVPashun:
Another wonderful hour, Glory and Buja! Thank you! :)
Guest
10: when'
THRVGloryB:
Ciao, all! This chat went by so FAST! I thank you all for coming!
Guest
12: thanks Glory
Guest
3: thanks Glory, see ya next week, I got a serious question
for ya. bye
THRVGloryB:
Guest7, nice to see ya again.
Guest
1: pleasure to have you GLoria
THRVBuja:
Thank you Glory, and special thanks to Pashun.
Guest
7: you too Glory :)
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