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Transcript
of Different Loving Conference on AOL for 03-15-98
with Gloria Brame (THRVGloryB) and moderators THRVBuja and
THRVPashun
TOPICS
Submission
and Feminism: The Conflict
Gloria's New Book: DOMINA
Bondage Safety Issues
Religious Conflicts
Is Switching in a Dom/Sub Relationship a Good Idea?
Painful Punishment vs Punishment vs Witholding Affection
Excessive Submission
24/7 Dom/Sub Relationships
Castration
THRVPashun:
Hello, Buja :)
THRVBuja:
Good evening everyone!
THRVGloryB:
Hello, all!
Guest
2: hi you two.
Guest
1: Hiya Glory, welcome back.
THRVBuja:
We are again honored to have with us Gloria Brame...to talk
about BDSM and answer all of your questions about kink! We had
a great show last week, and I am sure you have waited as much
for tonight as I have!
THRVGloryB:
Hiya, Guest1. Nice to see you again.
Guest
1: (applause - screaming cheers from the crowd)
THRVGloryB:
Just how much were you waiting for tonight, Buja? (fluttering
eyelashes)
THRVBuja:
If you only knew ;) And with that... take it away Glory!
THRVGloryB:
Sheesh, if I had, I would have at least asked you to BEG me
to come back! A little groveling is always nice too. :-)
THRVBuja:
The things I don't do for Thrive@Passion! :)
THRVGloryB:
So, Guest1, did you come prepared with any questions? I notice
we have some new folks with us tonight...
Guest
1: LOL, but of course my dear.
THRVGloryB:
please feel free to ask questions. We like to keep it very friendly
and welcoming here.
THRVPashun:
Lots of new faces, Glory..with lots of questions I am sure :)
Guest
1: ?
Guest
2: ohhh noooo
THRVGloryB:
Pashun, our able co-host, will be happy to take your ?'s and
!'s.
THRVPashun:
Guest1...please go ahead :)
THRVGloryB:
Guest1--please go ahead and crow.(noting that Guest2 looks a
bit worried)
Guest
2: lol
Guest
1: do you remember where we were last week? Ya wanna
pick up from there?
Guest
2: <----biting her nails.
THRVBuja:
Guest1, can you remind us all where we were last week?
THRVGloryB:
Guest1--could you remind us all, for those who weren't here?
THRVBuja:
Beat you to the punch that time Glory ; It is a rare and cherished
event :)
THRVGloryB:
I guess I'll just have to beat you to something else, Buja.
(perhaps the tune of "Dixie"?)
THRVBuja:
Guest
1: the issue as I recall was the conflict in a sub between
submission and feminism.
THRVGloryB:
Yes, Guest1, I recall. Do you have a specific question about
it? I believe I commented that SM women (sub and dom) both have
to make their own peace with the feminism issue.
Guest
2: he's thinking : )
Guest
1: Guest2 does.
THRVGloryB:
Guest2?
Guest
1: she's just shy.
THRVBuja:
Guest2, would you like to chime in? It's okay. :)
THRVPashun:
awww...Guest 2:)
THRVGloryB:
Here, Guest2, you can tiptoe up to me and whisper your question
in my ear. Come on. (beckoning)
Guest
1: she gets wikked tongue tied among other things
Guest
2: lol
THRVBuja:
How could anyone resist Glory's beckoning?
THRVGloryB:
Does the poor little thing blush a lot? How cute.
Guest
2: sheesh this was HIS question.
THRVGloryB:
I sense dissension in the ranks. Well, while Country kneels
silently...does anyone else have a question they'd like to ask?
Guest
1: nope, she can speak for herself. I give her special
permission.
Guest
2: yes, please, ANYONE else?
THRVPashun:
Don't be shy folks :)
THRVBuja:
How cute. Though someone's going to be eating crow :)
Guest
2: ROFL!!!
Guest
1: Yeeeeee Haaaaaa
THRVGloryB:
Otherwise we'll just have to talk to ourselves. That could get
dull.
Guest
3: ?
THRVBuja:
And we have a taker!
THRVGloryB:
Hello, Guest3. Step right up.
Guest
2: sheesh, thanks Guest3.
Guest
3: Anything new about the book Domina? I'm a great admirer
of your fiction
THRVGloryB:
I'm working on it, Guest3! :-) It's about 2/3's done right now.
I hope to hand it in next month--and Daedalus said they will
try to get it out by the Fall. I may put a chapter up on my
site.
THRVBuja:
From what I've seen folks, you're in for a treat!
Guest
3: I can't wait..I guess I'll have to though.
THRVGloryB:
Thanks, Guest3. I appreciate it. Didn't you send me some email
recently? It's so frustrating to wait, isn't it? Tsk, tsk. ;-)
Guest
3: I couldn't help myself
THRVPashun:
:)
THRVGloryB:
The book creates an entire fantasy world, ruled by Domina.
THRVPashun:
We've got a great bunch down here... now lets hear those great
questions :)
Guest
3: oh wow!
THRVGloryB:
Guest2, are you ready to ask your question now? Do you feel
very personally conflicted about being a sexual submissive while
also having a feminist outlook?
THRVBuja:
Or is someone going to have to beat it out of you? :)
Guest
2: Sorry, I'm bizy eating crow : )
Guest
1: she's twitching and giggling in embarrassment.
THRVPashun:
ohhhhh myyyy!!! :)
Guest
2: yeah, you might say that. more like a war.
THRVGloryB:
Well, Buja, I think it's up to me and you to ask each OTHER
questions.
Guest
4: ?
THRVPashun:
Guest 4:) Go ahead :)
THRVGloryB:
Ah! Guest4 to the rescue!
THRVBuja:
Guest 2: yeah, you might say that.more like a war.
Guest
4: Could you address some of the safety issues which
BDSM'ers should think about when it comes to participation in
bondage?
THRVPashun:
great question :)
THRVGloryB:
Bondage safety tips, you mean?
Guest
4: yes
THRVBuja:
Country, if you think of what you'd like to ask, just shout,
okay?
Guest
2: k, I will. thanks.
THRVGloryB:
Well, the first and most important safety tip of all, of course,
is never to let anyone put you in bondage who you do not know
and trust! That may seem obvious, but a lot of newbies take
risks. Another important tip is (if you're the top) to know
how to get your sub *out* of the bondage quickly. That means,
for example, if you're using rope bondage you should have scissors
or a knife nearby in case your sub needs to be released IMMEDIATELY.Would
you like more tips? Bondage, like many other aspects of SM,
is an art. The more complicated the bondage, the more things
you need to be aware of.
Guest
5: ? GloryB Do you consider yourself religious and if
so how do you resolve any conflicts in that area?
THRVGloryB:
Interesting question, Guest5.
THRVPashun:
I can hear you all thinking and can feel those questions coming...
keep me busy down here :)
THRVGloryB:
I'm not religious in the sense of practicing a particular religion
or attending a church. I am a believer. I believe that the divine
force that shaped me did so for a reason. So I think my duty
is to be true to myself as I was created.Does that make sense
to you, Guest5?
Guest
1: I was giving others a chance but here ya go... ?
THRVPashun:
:) Guest1...you are next after Glory is finished with Guest5's
question :)
THRVBuja:
And a very good job he did of shaping :)
THRVGloryB:
Oh, Buja, you heathen. ;-)
THRVBuja:
Oops, it slipped out.
Guest
6: I agree with that!! (shaping that is...grin)
THRVPashun:
yeah sure, Buja :) hahha
Guest
5: ! yes but did you have any guilt, I am Jewish and
read your profile, I have mixed emotions
THRVGloryB:
Certainly I felt guilty about my sexuality, but not because
I felt I was betraying God or the cosmos. In my case, it just
went so radically against my parents' values. They are extremely
puritanical.
Guest
5: ! thank you
THRVPashun:
Nice to hear from you, Guest 6:)
Guest
7: ?
Guest
6: Can't just sit back and watch all the time... :)
THRVPashun:
question queue after Guest5... Guest1 and Guest
7:)
THRVPashun:
Guest1...please go right ahead :)
Guest
1: are you and Will gonna have a poetry contest along
with your fiction contest?
THRVGloryB:
Guest1, we hadn't planned on it. Mainly because I would probably
have to judge it (Will's specialty is fiction, not poetry),
and I just don't have the time, alas.
Guest
1: aww shucks.
THRVPashun:
Guest7...go right ahead :)
Guest
7: have you found that "switching" is good for a relationship?
THRVGloryB:
(For those who don't know, the DifLove website hosts a twice-
yearly erotica contest for aspiring BDSM writers.) MS, honestly,
as with most things, it always comes down to the couple involved.
I have heard arguments on both sides, for and again. The "for"
argues that this is a way for a couple to live out all their
fantasies. The "against" argues that the BDSM becomes more like
roleplay, because the dominance seems less real if a sub sees
the dom on the bottom.
Guest
7: and what about for the individual? Is it possible
to be a switch?
Guest
2: ?
THRVGloryB:
Oh, yes, absolutely. The vast majority of people in BDSM have
fantasies on both the S and the M sides. Many people choose
to pursue a sub relationship with one person and a dom with
another. Which is why switching within a couple can help that
couple remain monogamous.)
THRVPashun:
Guest2, you are next :) Please go ahead :)
Guest
7: ?
Guest
8: ?
Guest
2: this is off the feminism topic (I'll figure that one
out later), but what's your view on pain as punishment vs. withholding
of affections (or other such mind games) as punishment?
THRVPashun:
question queue after Guest2... Guest7 and Guest
8:)
THRVGloryB:
If we're talking about serious punishment for an infraction,
my opinion is that the dom has to judge, in each case,which
is going to be most effective. I make no judgments on individuals'
style of play. What concerns me most is the mutual consent issue.
Sometimes a physical punishment does not always make the best
punishment for a masochist!
THRVBuja:
Careful Glory, or Guest1's gonna be eating himself! :)
Guest
1: !
THRVPashun:
go ahead Guest 1:) hahah
Guest
1: I could no more withold affection as punishment than
I could eat myself. To me relationship is about engagement,
connection and intimacy.especially a D/s one.]
THRVGloryB:
How do you punish, Guest1?
Guest
2: i hadda go & open my mouth.
Guest
6: Thnx for letting me sit in. Mistress Glory your a
very beautiful woman.
THRVGloryB:
Do you only use pain?
Guest
1: LOL, haven't had to yet, she is very obedient, and
this leads to another issue I have as question but I will
THRVGloryB:
Why thank you, Guest6. Ah! Well, may I suggest, ARC, that there
*are* times when giving a frisky masochist a spanking is not
quite going to carry the same weight as a more emotional punishment?
:-)
Guest
1: wait til the others in the queue go if they wish.spanking
is for fun. :-)
THRVGloryB:
Indeed it is. :-) But making them scrub the bathroom floor with
a toothbrush is for punishment. :-)
Guest
1: yep. and worse. :)
Guest
2: he doesn't need any new ideas, Glory.
THRVPashun:
Guest7...go ahead :)
THRVBuja:
I think Guest7 has left the building.
THRVGloryB:
Guest2, I just try to be helpful. Well, then, does Elvis have
a question?
THRVPashun:
Guest8..Please go ahead :)
THRVGloryB:
Yes, Guest8, otherwise I'll be compelled to give Guest1 more
ideas on how to punish a slave without using pain.
Guest
8: Glory, do you ever switch for Will?
THRVGloryB:
Guest8, we did early on in the relationship. It didn't work
for us, unfortunately. When we met, he was my sub and it was
hard (to impossible) for me to see him in the dom role.These
days, we both have outside other relationships with subs.>
Guest
1: Lay it on Me Oh Gloryious One. LOL ? ok now?
THRVPashun:
How about another question :)
Guest
1: my earlier comment about her obedience has lead to
and interesting dilemma and I think I have the solution but
would like to hear your input. She is very submissive, so much
so that she subs to everyone in her life, family, friends etc.
this has been so detrimental at times in her life that it has
affected her health and well being. My solution is that her
primary allegiance is to me, not that I wish for her to ignore
her obligations to her family but that it all comes thru me
first because my agenda for her is that she be whole, others
have their own desires that may not be in her best interest.
Guest
9: My dom uses humiliation as a punishment instead of
pain
Guest
10: ?
THRVGloryB:
That sounds very responsible of you. My slave had a similar
problem--he tried constantly to accommodate and serve everyone.
We talked a lot about this. He was extremely stressed out by
it--I believe I saw it far more clearly than he did. Finally
I told him that the only person in the world who he *had* to
take sh*t from was me. :-)
Guest
1: yes, exactly the case here.
THRVGloryB:
It really simplified it for him! I am the only one who has the
right to beat him up :-).... >and that's because it's by his
explicit consent and because it makes him feel HAPPY to be under
MY control.I think it's a real gift when a dom can do that for
the sub.
Guest
1: thanks Glory. Validation is always helpful. :-)
THRVGloryB:
You're welcome, Guest1. Hope it helps.
THRVPashun:
Guest10, please ask your question :)
Guest
10: Hi, I'm a sub and interested in castration... do
you have any recs on how to find a domme to do it and how to
go about it...?
THRVGloryB:
Guest10, do you understand fully what castration will mean?
Guest
10: yes, I have been thinking and wanting it for a few
years now...
THRVGloryB:
Any domme who does that to you is susceptible to prosecution.
Guest
10: is there any way to sign release forms to make it
allowable?
THRVGloryB:
To a medical doctor, yes. To a dominatrix, no.
Guest
5: ?
THRVGloryB:
Have you considered talking to a counselor about your desires?
Guest
10: what about going to either Canada or Mexico to have
it done..? I considered it early on... but I know it would not
change my feelings about it..
THRVGloryB:
Guest10, do you have other fantasies about permanent mutiliations?
Guest
10: Oh, well I suppose, but they're all related ultimately
to castration...
THRVPashun:
Guest5, please go ahead with your question:)
Guest
5: ? How do you feel about 24/7 relationships
THRVGloryB:
You asked about 24/7 relationships, Guest5. How I feel about
them is really "whatever floats your boat."
Guest
5: do you practice it?
THRVGloryB:
If you have two adults who share the need and desire for 24/7
why not? I live with Will. We are not in a 24/7 relationship
but I have a slave, and so does Will, and when we are with our
slaves the power relationship is ever present, for as long as
we're together.
THRVPashun:
Folks..we have time for one more question :) Who is going to
be the lucky one?:)
THRVGloryB:
How about you, Guest5? Is this something you're interested in?
Guest
2: ?
Guest
5: yes but I haven't found the right person
THRVPashun:
Guest 2:) Great! :)
Guest
2: when can we turn this into a two hour chat?
THRVGloryB:
It is a unique and challenging type of relationship, but extremely
rewarding. I hope you find the right person.
THRVPashun:
:)
THRVGloryB:
So you can not ask your question for 2 whole hours, Guest2?
Hmmm...(thinking about it...)... :-)
Guest
1: You tell her Glory. LOL
THRVBuja:
Oh oh.
Guest
2: I'll get you next week, Glory.
THRVGloryB:
Guest10, sorry I cut you off (ahem)...but...I think you should
r reconsider talking to a counselor before you do anything.
Okay?
Guest
1: If you have the time tonite we could go to a private
chat room.. Huh, huh, huh, awww c'mon.
THRVGloryB:
Sorry, Guest 1: Mistress is on a strict schedule here! (Would
you expect any less of me?)
THRVPashun:
unfortunately, Guest10 has left :(
THRVGloryB:
Thank you all for coming tonight!
THRVBuja:
Thanks again to Glory... and Pashun... and for all of you and
your great questions!
Guest
2: thanks for havin us! see everybody next week.
THRVPashun:
Another terrific chat, Glory and Buja :)
Guest
4: (applause)
THRVPashun:
Thank you folks for your questions and comments :)
Guest
1: of course not, hadda ask. See ya next week. I will
send you a new poem to your website email address.
THRVGloryB:
Bye, all! Merci beaucoup. And see you soon! *** poof ***
THRVPashun:
I look forward to seeing you all next week :)
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