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Transcript
of Different Loving Conference on AOL for 07-19-98
with Gloria Brame (THRVGloryB) and moderators Buja/Pashun
TOPICS
Losing
Patience During Discipline
Transgender as a Dominant
Resolving Emotional Conflicts as a Sub
Abuse in a BDSM Relationship
Gloria's Book Release
BDSM and Monogomy
Resolving Conflicts With Friendships vs Lifestyle
What Makes a Person Want to Dominate Another
Not Being a Doormat as a Submissive
Guest
1: Hiya Glory, Pashun, Honey and all the rest :-)
Guest 2: how's your week
been, you kinky thing you? :)
THRVGloryB: Hi, all. Pashun,
is our chat beginning to begin? :-)
THRVHoney: Hiya Guest1!
Guest 2: Glory! :)
Guest 3: Hiya Glory
Guest 5: Hello, everyone.
THRVPashun: Sure is Glory :)
Guest 4: hi, Glory
THRVPashun: Guest2..missed you
last week darlin
Guest 2: yeah.......I was
doing the vacation thing :)
Guest 6: Hi Glory...
Guest 1: What's new Glory?
THRVPashun: Welcome everyone to
our BDSM and Kink chat with the ever lovely Glory! :)
THRVGloryB: Did you need a little
more perversion in your week or somethin'? :-)
Guest 7: ?
THRVPashun: We have the delightful
Honey bottoming and taking your ?s :) I get to top tonight!
Woo HOO!
Guest 1: I think he was
worried about being in the wrong room.
Guest 8: lol
THRVHoney: Oh LOL....Pash!
THRVGloryB: AHEM! (looking at
Pashun)
THRVHoney: I think Guest7 has the first question!
Guest 1: Go get em Pash
:-)
Guest 7: thank you
Guest 4: Pashun .... power
corrupts
THRVGloryB: (flexing whip)
THRVHoney: LOL.....Glory!
Guest 5: LOL
Guest 7: my question concerns
patience
Guest 1: Ye gawds I hope
so.
THRVGloryB: Hello to the delicious
Honey down below!
THRVPashun: >---returning to corner
;)
Guest 9: ?
Guest 7: is it common for
the Dom...to sort of loose patience in the heat of discipline
sexually speaking
THRVGloryB: Yes, it's WOMEN'S
NIGHT here. That's a good little Pashun. (patting my co-host)
THRVHoney: Hello there, Glory!
Guest 4: <-refuses to have
a sex change to participate in LADIES NITE
Guest 6: LOL
Guest 1: ditto. Lol
THRVGloryB: Guest4--not to worry.
We are penis friendly.
Guest 7: sometimes it is
better to receive than give selfihsness can be a good thing
sometimes
Guest 9: Guest7, IMHO it's
not uncommon but I'd think it unseemly
Guest 10: penis friendly
or penis jealous??? ::ducking::
THRVGloryB: Guest7--what do
you mean by "lose patience"?
Guest 4: LOL Glory I prefer
penis craving LOL
Guest 8: ROFL!
Tnkrbell77: <-----always likes
women's night
Guest 4: lol Tinkr
THRVGloryB: If you're saying
you start whomping on the sub in passion, that could be a tiny
problem. :-)
Guest 7: ok...stay in control
of the situation before getting caught up in the heat that is
being made
Guest 1: (hiya tink :)
Tnkrbell77: Guest1.. hi there.
:-)
THRVGloryB: Or do you mean the
dom gets so excited he or she must move on to the orgasmic part
of the evening quickly? :-)
Guest 7: banging her yes, but with a different pole so to speak.
Yes, one if many I hope
THRVGloryB: That is, in my view,
the dominant's prerogative. Being sexually aroused is a Good
Thing (as Martha would say)
Guest 3: lol
Guest 7: bless the good
things in life
Tnkrbell77: Martha????
:-)
THRVGloryB: Tink, you and your
Martha Stewart fetish! SIGH.
Tnkrbell77:
Guest 10: he just keeps
imagining Martha Strapon
THRVHoney: Guest9, you have a question?
Guest 11: What chat is this?
THRVGloryB: Guest7--it is the
dom's responsibility to stay in control, but that doesn't mean
one can't get carried away a little by passion...passion doesn't
necessarily mean a loss of control, does it?
Guest 9: I am wondering
why it is so difficult to be taken seriously if you are TG and
domme
THRVGloryB: Guest9, are you
a TG domme?
Guest 9: If you are sub,
it's okay but if you want to top...I want to be, yes. I don't
feel submissive
Guest 7: no it does not
only if you want to discipline or perform corrective actions
Guest 1: Guest11 - this
chat is about bdsm and kinky relationships
THRVGloryB: Guest9, I've known
tg's who were quite respected as dommes. Being perceived as
a domme has more to do with how you carry yourself...than your
gender.
Guest 7: tg does that =
trans gendered
Guest 11: Oh thanks. I was
just in the nutrition chat. I guess they've left.
Guest 4: Guest11 we eat
too LOL
Guest 1: yep, they're gone,
but you can stay if yer twisted.
Guest 8: lol
Guest 11: Kay, LOL I'm about
to find out, huh?
THRVGloryB: So, Guest9, I guess
the question is: do you come across as domme, in the way you
dress, behave, etc? Yes, tg=transgendered.
Guest 9: I try to, yes
Guest 1: LOL, you betcha
doll. :-) welcome to our werld.
THRVGloryB: And you've had people
question your sincerity?
Guest 9: Yes!!
THRVGloryB: Is this in real
life BDSM situations or on-line?
Guest 7: Master/Domme is
an inner perception..not limited to outward signs
Guest 11: Thanks
Guest 9: In R/L-I won't
do online
THRVGloryB: Guest7, that's true.
But it's also true that people in the Scene do tend to judge
people by how they dress and the way they act in public.
Guest 9: Doms ask me if
I want to sub for them and when I say no they look lost
THRVGloryB: Most of us look
at the clothes and accessories to give us clues about who's
what. For example, if you see a woman dressed in a schoolgirl's
outfit with a collar on, chances are she won't have a lot of
subs coming up, asking to serve her. :-)
THRVHoney: Would anyone like to be next in line with
q question for Glory?
Guest 7: true....collars
or anklets but a Domme would not wear a collar
Guest 9: Good example, Glory
Tnkrbell77: <---thinks black
patent mary janes are a definte give away. :-)
Guest 1: ?
THRVGloryB: Unfortunately, the
signals have gotten so mixed over the years..as lots of new
(clueless) people have begun showing up at groups and clubs.
THRVHoney: Guest1, your question?
Guest 1: now?
Guest 9: When I have gone
to BDSM functions I have always tried to dress and act domme...
THRVHoney: Sure, go for it!
Guest 7: what is your Domme
dress Guest9?
Guest 9: But I don't act
like a ball-busting bitch. Maybe that's my problem?
Tnkrbell77: <--thinks Guest9
should wear whip and hancuffs on belt etc. Things which subbies
normally don't do.
Guest 9: I always carry
a crop, Tink
THRVGloryB: Uhhh...no, I definitely
don't recommend the "ball-busting bitch" routine...until you're
alone with your sub, that is. ;-)
Guest 4: It is attitude
that will cause people to feel comfortable
Tnkrbell77: lol
Guest 4: you don't have
to yell when a whisper will command
Guest 9: Guest7, usually
more severe looking outfits, not much leather but lots of pvc
Guest 1: My beloved sub
is deeply aroused by her submission, and yet that very arousal
really ticks her off. Any thoughts about that conflict and suggestions
for resolving it?
Guest 9: Guest4, you are
so right
Guest 7: and you get asked
to sub...the ones asking that question should be swatted at
that moment
Guest 9: hee hee
THRVGloryB: Woopsie! No non-consensual
swatting! A sneer would do! :-)
Guest 12: ???
THRVGloryB: Guest1--why does
it irk her? Does she feel submission is "beneath" her? (When
in fact her submission should be beneath you?) ;-)
Tnkrbell77: I don't understand
what's wrong with getting turned on from submission. I do. I
thought that was the general idea. :-)
Guest 8: ummm...because...I
haven't quite accepted it completely, yet can't deny it. Also,
I'm not completely convinced about how healthy it is emotionally.
Guest 1: (for those of you
who don't know, Guest8 is my IRL sub)
THRVGloryB: Let me ask you something,
Guest8 dear. Do you feel you really have a choice?
Guest 9: Guest1, maybe she
feels like she's not *supposed* to be aroused?
Guest 8: uh...well no.
THRVGloryB: In other words---are
you as happy in your life without submission?
Guest 8: well no.
Guest 1: <-- thinks Glory
is REAL SMART. :-)
THRVGloryB: So submission is
a reality of who you are, yes?
Guest 8: yes, but it pisses
me off.
THRVGloryB: Guest12, we'll get
to you soon.
Guest 4: it is a question
of you making Guest8 realize that submission comes from strength
and not weakness
THRVHoney: Guest12, your question will be taken next!
Guest 7: submission is a
desire a need
THRVGloryB: Guest 8--then what
you are doing is damning yourself to unhappiness.
Guest 8: explain?
Guest 1: Glory, this is
a real big issue here.
THRVGloryB: Guest8, when you
hear that little voice in your head that disapproves of submission
and tells you it's wrong or sick or "weak" or unbecoming to
a strong person such as yourself..just who's voice is it? A
parent? A teacher? A clergyman?
Guest 9: Have you considered
that perhaps you might not want to be sub?
Guest 7: oooohhh very good
Glory
Guest 8: mom probably but...just
because it FEELS good DOESN'T necessarily mean it's good for
you, no?
THRVGloryB: Certainly I always
heard my own mother's voice in my head sneering and disapproving
at anything sexual.
Guest 1: introjection no
doubt
Guest 8: lol
THRVGloryB: It isn't about "if
it feels good." It's about knowing who you are.. and what makes
you happy in life. Not just a passing sensation, but a basic
reality of your identity.
Guest 12: ???
Guest 3: why do you think
it's unhealthy, Guest8?
Guest 7: the sexual end
Guest8 is only a part of the lifestyle
THRVHoney: Guest12, you may ask your question now.
Tnkrbell77: Denying the reality
of one's self cant be too healthy either.Living the truth is.
Guest 1: Glory. this is
also linked to her earlier conflict with feminist ideals.
Guest 9: Guest8, maybe you
need to understand why you want to be sub first
THRVGloryB: Guest8, these are
questions you have to ask of yourself.
Guest 7: as the army says...be
all you can be ten hut soldier girl
Guest 6: LOL
Guest 12: How do u know
when BSDM becomes hurtful and abusive to your partner and when
it's sexual??
Guest 13: ?
THRVGloryB: Guest12, I don't
understand the distinction you're making.
Guest 8: ok, thanks Gloria.
THRVGloryB: First--you can usually
tell when BDSM becomes abusive...quite easily. Is your partner
happy? Does your partner feel safe and taken care of?
Guest 9: It's abuse when
it's non-consensual. It's sexual when you both feel pleasure
THRVGloryB: Or does your partner
feel depressed, trapped, frightened?
Guest 7: Hold on there Guest9
if the sub requires corrective discipline she may not want it
but deserves it
THRVGloryB: Guest12, there are
some very good guidelines on how to tell the difference between
loving kink and an abusive relationship. I have a list of guidelines
about this on my website, as a public service.
Guest 1: Guest9, if you
want to comment key in a and you will be in the queue
Guest 14: It's abusive when
it injures not just hurts....A sore red bottom is one thing,
bleeding and severe pain is another
THRVHoney: Guest13, you have a question?
Guest 7: this is true
Guest 15: ?
Guest 13: I was wondering
is Gloria is Monagomous and whether she believes it is a part
of BSDM?
THRVGloryB: Guest13, no, I am
not monogamous. I'm in an open marriage. And I'm a rather frisky
Mistress, if I do say so myself. :-)
Guest 14: Making a sub eat
cold soup out of a dog bowl is humiliating-making them miss
meals is abuse
Guest 13: excuse the late
Sunday nite spelling...
THRVHoney: Guest14, you have a question?
THRVGloryB: No problem, Guest15!
:-) I think it's really a personal decision whether you need
or want monogamy. Monogamy never was comfortable to me, even
when I was a kid.
Tnkrbell77: <--thinks frisky
is an understatement ;-)
Guest 3: lol
Guest 1: LOL
THRVPashun: Guest15..before we
get to your question, I would like to make an announcement!
:)
Guest 15: ok!
Guest 6: Yes, Pashun..
THRVGloryB: AN ANNOUNCEMENT!(waiting
with barbed breath)
THRVPashun: It is my pleasure to
announce that Glory's new book, DOMINA will be out in the stores
on July 24th!!! Please rush out and buy it!! ;)
Guest 1: wowza!
Guest 15: congrats Glory!
Guest 16: ???
Guest 4: heh heh pashun
too late to suck up LOL
THRVGloryB: Hehehehe! Well,
gee, that's a nice announcement!
THRVPashun: We will be devoting
our chat next week to DOMINA! Never too late, Guest4 darlin
:) hahah
Guest 17: ?
Guest 13: when are you coming
to princeton for a book signing??
THRVGloryB: YES! A full hour
of me giving away the entire plot! Whooee! You are all invited
to Gloria's Little House of Perversion next weekend...same time,
same channel (different leather panties, though)
Guest 4: LOL
Guest 3: lol
THRVPashun: ok.. Guest15 is next
I believe :)
Guest 16: and I haven't
been on in a while, Gloria. did you do Sewanee so to speak?
THRVGloryB: Hey, Guest16. I'm
going up to Sewanee this very week!
Guest 15: thanks, well,
I'm a newbie, I guess and I was talking to a (vanilla) friend
about it and she thinks I'm using submission as an excuse to
run my own life, do you think that's possible?
Guest 14: Do we all get
free autographed copies since we were here for the announcment?
Tnkrbell77: <--is gonna miss
his Mistress. :-(
Guest 16: I think you should
come down to Nashville...friend from LA will be in...we will
roll out the red carpet.
THRVGloryB: Yes, Guest14, I
will sign them all with my magic Invisible Cyber Pen!
THRVGloryB: Guest 15--do you
mean she thinks you're just looking for someone else to run
your life?
Guest 15: yeah, that's not
how I feel, but I guess now I'm confused..lol
THRVGloryB: On what does she
base this? Are you having difficulty keeping your life together?
Guest 15: no, I don't think
so, I just feel that I'm changing
Guest 16: I cut in line....wanted
to know when, if, Gloria did the writers conf. told it is very
exclusive.
THRVGloryB: Or is it possible
she just sees submission, in general, as a bad thing?
Guest 15: she does see it
that way I think
Guest 14: I know I have
a lot of authority and decisions to make in my "normal" life-so
its good to turn to my mistress for some stress relief....butI
also have a dominant side.
THRVGloryB: Then maybe you need
to discuss your interests with a more sympathetic friend.
Guest 15: thanks, she was
making me doubt myself..
THRVGloryB: It's tough enough
for submissives to deal with all the issues that come up when
they're first getting involved in BDSM...talking to friends
who disapprove can really be confusing and hurtful.
Tnkrbell77: some friends will
never accept submissiveness as "a good thing"
Guest 4: Guest15, send her
to the www to get educated, if her friendship is important
THRVHoney: Guest17, would you like to ask your question
now?
Tnkrbell77: good idea Guest4.
Guest 15: it is imp, but
like Glory said, it is hurtful, she's not helping me..!
THRVGloryB: Guest15, I'm sure
she was. But you need to let her know...that what you need from
her now, as a friend, is her support, not her criticism or her
psychoanalysis. Just her "permission" to be the person who you
really are.
Guest 17: Is there something
in particular that makes a person want to dominate another?
THRVHoney: Good question, Guest17!
THRVGloryB: If she can't do
that for you, this will always be a problem in your friendship.
Guest 15: thank you Glory,
that's good advice..
THRVGloryB: Something in particular?
Like a gene? You bet, Guest15. I hate to see subs get down when
their vanilla friends...form opinions in the absence of solid
information.
Guest 17: Well maybe something
in our minds maybe
THRVGloryB: Guest 17--I don't
think there's any one thing that is true of ALL dominants...except
the simple fact that we find it very gratifying to take control...it
gives us pleasure--physical, emotional, psychological or all
three kinds.
Guest 17: I was just wondering
because I do truly enjoy taking control
THRVGloryB: Is it exciting for
you, Guest17?
Guest 17: Yes very much
so
THRVGloryB: Any other doms want
to pipe in? :)(Everyone's so callllllllllllm tonight. Or are
they just tired? )
Guest 1: yep
Guest 4: I find it rewarding
to see someone improve all facets of their life and know I was
the catalyst to help that happen
THRVPashun: Go for it Guest 1:)
Guest 1: I call it the power
kink Some go dom, some go sub, but we all find it irresistable.
THRVGloryB: The power kink,
Guest1? You mean power is your fetish? :-) (it's MINE!)
Guest 17: Thanks GloryB
Guest 16: and let me add
as a sub, the three items Gloria mentioned is what turns me
on...serving a woman is emotional, psychological and physical
and spiritual in a way
THRVHoney: Does anyone have a question for Glory?
THRVGloryB: Yes, it can be very
spiritual too. Especially with one you love.
Guest 1: yes, power and
control just gets me hot, makes me feel fully alive, fully present,
even makes the dark nights shine.
THRVGloryB: Guest 1--I think
many subs would say they feel the exact thing about their submission...it
makes them feel totally alive and fully present.
Guest 1: I know, that's
what I mean, it's the power kink, either you got it or you can't
understand it.
Tnkrbell77: That's the way I
feel.
THRVGloryB: And now as a lovely
albeit sneaky segue...the main character in my new book (a submissive
man) talks a lot about feeling that he is reborn and doubly
alive when he becomes a slave.
Guest 4: I think what ya'll
are saying is that the two partners complete each other and
make a stronger whole for both
Guest 15: and there is nothing
wrong with that is there?
Guest 1: not that I can
see Guest15. :-)
Tnkrbell77: not at all Guest15....its
good.
Guest 15: thanks Guest1
and Tnkr :) You've made me feel better...
THRVGloryB: Guest4--ideally
they are in balance. Like yin and yang. :-)
Guest 18: ?
Guest 4: yes, Glory
THRVHoney: Guest19, you may go ahead with your question!
Guest 18: I have heard that
a sub can take herself into the subzone without a Dom present
or any type of physical touch is this really possible?
Guest 19: how does a sub
Not become a doormat?
THRVGloryB: If she has an excellent
creative imagination, yes, I believe she can. During fantasy,
I mean. Many SMers have very creative imaginations...when they
go into their fantasies, they can really pull up many...of the
same feelings they have when they're doing BDSM. Would others
agree?
Guest 1: (the sub finds
a Dom who will treat her with respect)
Guest 21: Guest20, Gloria
is perfect. Thanks!
Tnkrbell77: <--agrees with Guest1
Guest 14: I like to find
ways to try to turn that fantasy into reality....
Guest 1: (or him) thanks
tink :-)
Tnkrbell77: I agree...but the
fantasy is no substitute for the reality.
THRVGloryB: No one agrees with
me?! (stamping foot)
Tnkrbell77: I get part of the
feeling... but not all.
Guest 4: Glory I agree.....
for instance, teaching someone to cum on command is a proof
of that
THRVGloryB: But enough for you
to climax, eh, Tink? :-)
Tnkrbell77: Indeed Mistress.
:-) I find "remembering" things which really happened take me
to that place.
Guest 14: True... Spanking
a woman's bottom is so much better than thinking about it..
THRVGloryB: Guest 4--is that
one of your specialties?
Guest 4: Wanna find out?
LOL heh heh heh
Guest 20: so spanking a
mans..lol
Guest 1: tink, yer such
a grin
Guest 3: lol Guest 4
THRVGloryB: Why, I'd be delighted
to watch you work, Guest4. Thank you.
Guest 4: LOL LOL Ok ...
My sub is here, watch carefully
Guest 3: lol
Guest 21: Glory do you deal
with hypnosis?
THRVGloryB: I don't use hypnosis,
Guest21. Tink is already hypnotized enough.
Tnkrbell77: <---is brainwashed
THRVPashun: Does someone have another
question for Glory?:)
Guest 3: lol
Guest 8: lol
THRVGloryB: Brainwashed in the
nicest possible sense of the word, of course.
Guest 4: Where is Eliza?
we enjoy harassing her and getting her in trouble LOL
Guest 21: Glory when did
you realize you had the power so to speak?
Tnkrbell77: Of Course.
THRVGloryB: Eliza got a late
start home tonight. (She lives an hour away from us.) (She was
in for the weekend.)
Guest 4: ahhhhhhhh ok
Guest 1: !
THRVPashun: go ahead, Guest 1:)
THRVGloryB: Guest 21--that I
realized I was sexually dominant?
Guest 21: Yes? same thing
Guest 1: Gawd Glory, I'd
love to be a fly on the wall in your house, jeez, I have enuf
trouble keeping track of ONE sub, much less the complexities
of a marriage and TWO of 'em.
Guest 4: Damn, Glory, we
would have been delighted to have come over and watched yall
work LOL LOL
THRVGloryB: Well...I've been
aware I'm an SMer (clinically) since 1986 I started going to
clubs, etc., in 1987. But I did have some experiences even as
a girl where I was dominant. I just didn't know I "qualified"
as an SMer.
:-)
Tnkrbell77: Guest4... You'd
volunteer to be a fly on the wall?
Guest 21: do you remember
your first sub?
THRVGloryB: Guest4--we like
to call this place "House of a Thousand Screams."
Guest 4: LOL Tnkr.....
Tnkrbell77: hmm...perhaps we
can sell tickets next time. :-)
THRVHoney: Ok, would anyone like to ask what will probably
be the last question for the night?
Guest 4: LOL Glory.... we
would bring my submissive dog... My sub has taught her to stop
crying to be spanked and bark to demand it
Tnkrbell77: <---has contributed
his share of the 1000 screams.
Guest 6: ?
THRVGloryB: My first sub? Hmmm.
Do you mean the first man I ever explicitly dominated...
Guest 1: tink yer too much,
She's done a great job with you.
Guest 21: Yes?
THRVHoney: Guest6, you have a question?
Tnkrbell77: :-)
Guest 6: GLory, have you
ever been a sub?
THRVGloryB: Well...YES. I do,
Guest21. I remember all the men I've dommed, I think. I hope.
;-I
Guest 20: lol
Guest 15: lol
THRVGloryB: Guest6, I've tried
to be sub. I was not very good at it.
Guest 6: really?
THRVGloryB: I'm too dominant
for my own good. ;-) Yep, is that surprising?
THRVPashun: I am sorry to say we
are out of time for tonight :(
THRVGloryB: Ahahaha! And, gee,
WHAT TIMING!
Guest 6: kind of?
THRVPashun: Remember to be here
next week for our discussion of Glory's new book, DOMINA! Check
your bookstores on July 24th! :)
Guest 6: Thanx, glory.
Guest 16: I don't think
you can be too dominant for your own good, gloria.
Guest 15: thank you glory,
I appreciate your help
THRVGloryB: Well, Guest6, nothing
wrong with keeping people on their toes, is there? You're most
welcome, Guest15.
Guest 6: not at all !!!
Guest 15: and everyone else's
help too!
Guest 4: Pashun you party
pooper
THRVGloryB: Errr! No, don't
check bookstores! The book will only be available on-line for
the first coupla months! Thanks everyone!
THRVPashun: awww :( oops
THRVHoney: Night everyone!
THRVPashun: Thank you all! See
you next week :)
Tnkrbell77: Good night everyone.
THRVGloryB: Guest 8--let's talk
about your issues again sometime, okay?
Guest 8: say when.
THRVPashun: Hugs and kisses everyone!
;)
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