TOPICS

Suggested Reading for Dom/Dommes
Do Subs Sometimes View Their Dom as a Parent Figure
Where Should a Beginner Dom Start
Getting Started in the Dom/Sub Lifestyle
Can a Domme Be Trained
How Can a Sub Determine Excessive Punishment
When a New Sub has an Overwhelming Desire for a Dom
Switching Top to Bottom and Vice Versa
Breast Sex Fetishes
Challenges of Teaching Others About One's Fetish/Fetishes
Humiliation
Difference Between a Sub and a Slave
Do Dom/Sub Relationships Last Longer Than Vanilla Relationships

THRVGloryB: Hiya, Pashun! (waving)

Guest 1: Glory!!!!!!! {{{{huge round of applause}}}}

THRVBuja: Well, we might as well start a little early... Join me in welcoming Gloria Brame, aka THRVGloryB... to take all your questions about BDSM and kinks of all kinds :)

Guest 4: Hiya Glory

Guest 1: you made quite an impression on my little one last week :)

THRVGloryB: Nothing is shaking at all. Everything moves...gracefully. Uh-oh. What did I do to her? :-)

THRVGloryB: Yes, here I am to submit to your questions. The only time anyone will EVER see me submit. So PLEASE...feel free to go ahead and humiliate me with questions! Torment me with them! Subject me to your CRUELEST questions.

Guest 2: ::perk::

THRVGloryB: Now, now, Guest2.

Guest 2: sorry, well how about this......?

Guest 1: well........lemme just say she would certainly enjoy spending time in tink's usual position :)

THRVPashun: Guest2, I see you have the first question :) Go right ahead! :)

Guest 6: humiliate, torment? words to warm my heart

Guest 2: ok here goes....I have often said to people who want a good book on BDSM that before they decide to read about being a Dom or a Domme they should read a good vanilla leadership book first to strengthen their leadership and people skills any thoughts on that Glory??

THRVGloryB: I think that if they haven't had an experience in a leadership role, it would be probably be worth their time to think about those issues.

Guest 5: ?

Tnkrbell77: <----is not a leader... but is a good follower.

THRVGloryB: Oddly, I feel my years in business (worked on Wall St. in my 20s)...did really help give me a sense of what leaders do (or should do). also, I taught for a while. That was interesting too.

THRVPashun: Guest5, I will call on you next :)

Guest 9: Hello everyone!

THRVPashun: hiya Guest9! ;)

Tnkrbell77: Hi Guest9

THRVGloryB: I like the point you're making, Guest2--i.e., that dominance is about much MORE than simply knowing how to use equipment.

Guest 2: so you don't think I'm out to lunch on that recommendation like many think I am??

THRVGloryB: No, actually, I don't. It may seem strange on the surface..

Guest 6: Guest2 I was just sent a great article on choosing the right Dominate... one of the best I've read for the mindset I'm in right now

THRVGloryB: Guest2--what kind of skills do you think a potential Dom can pick up from such a book?

Guest 2: well thanks Glory!! Well......lets take a lesson from Steven Covey Seek first to understand and then to be understood

THRVGloryB: Sure. I'm all for anything that expands a dominant's understanding of human psychology and motivation.

Guest 7: !

Guest 2: If your submissive did something out of line..... I think its important to understand his/her thoughts before you take action and..... judging without all of the facts is a major withdrawal from the emotional bank account

THRVPashun: Guest7...go ahead with your comment :)

THRVGloryB: How about the very basic principle of the leader setting the example for a submissive to follow and look up to?

Guest 6: I think that's vital, Guest2

Guest 2: Leadership by example is great too

Guest 7: The use of implements is a set of mechanical skills that most anyone can learn, the idea of taking someone into their depths of submission is a mental skill that one must possess by attitude and being a presence

THRVGloryB: Good point, Guest7!

Guest 2: I am reading (again).. Leadership Secrets of Atilla the Hun.. and a quote I just read is to..... know the difference between sympathy and empathy

THRVGloryB: I think it might be worthwhile pointing out that... these skills are most important if one wants to have a long-term relationship. And particularly a lifestyle relationship.

THRVBuja: Was that Atilla the Hun, or Carl Rogers? :)

Guest 2: Empathy is important, sympathy can be weakness

Guest 9: LOL, Buja.

THRVBuja: Leave it to the psych student to get my joke! :)

Guest 7: Yes, Gloria that is most true

THRVGloryB: How about parenting books?

Guest 2: (whoa I didn't expect this to get so deep, this is good stuff)

Guest 9: Naturally. :)

THRVBuja: Diapering skills? :)

THRVGloryB: Hey, Guest2, we're up for anything! Light, heavy, etc.

Guest 10: How do you get a woman to go for a threesome either way

Guest 2: Parenting books as an application for a D and Sub relationship you mean??

THRVGloryB: Guest10, is this in an SM context, with one dom & two subs?

Guest 7: Guest9 , glad to see you speaking up after the last time you did.

THRVGloryB: Yes, Guest2. In my view, some parenting skills do go into D&S relationships

Guest 2: some do but.... I don't think the sub should feel like a child (unless that is his/her desire) BUT, the unconditional Love we give children including to punish them when appropriate... I think is what applies

Guest 9: I will forever onwards temper my words with caution, Guest7. :)

THRVPashun: Guest5, sorry....you are next, I promise :)

Guest 7: LOL

THRVBuja: As in: when to spank? :)

THRVGloryB: Poor Guest3. :-)

Guest 6: not like a child, Guest2

THRVGloryB: Buja--among other things.

Guest 10: yes two women or two men with my wife either way fine with me

THRVGloryB: Let me ask a question of our subbies here... do you ever feel like your dom is something of a parent-type figure?

Guest 11: yes Ma'am

Guest 6: umm but if you guide them, won't punishment be almost a mute point?

THRVGloryB: (I don't mean you have a real ageplay dynamic going, just that the dom is sort of in that position with you.)

Guest 2: (noting Guest6's question for later)

Guest 11: yes I do Ms Glory

THRVPashun: go ahead with your comment Guest 6:)

Tnkrbell77: Yes sometimes.. in some ways.

Guest 9: I do, sometimes.

THRVGloryB: Well, subbies: can you explain how it feels to you?

Guest 12: always

Guest 6: yes, I do have that feeling, but in a more loving way than I ever did with my parents

THRVGloryB: And, tink, you needn't mention the times I put you in diapers. ;-) (I wouldn't want to embarrass you or anything, tink.)

Tnkrbell77: (blush)

Guest 1: hate when that happens.........

Guest 2: Doooooooooo Tink , I'm behind ya Dude

Guest 13: ???

Guest 9: It's a disturbing feeling for me, b/c of parental issues that I have.

Tnkrbell77: Of course not... of course not.

THRVPashun: Guest13....I will get to you after Guest 5:)

Guest 11: it's like when my mom told me to do something...and I didn't do it I got in trouble

THRVGloryB: Guest12--you always feel in a child-like position with your Domme?

THRVPashun: Guest5, go ahead and ask your question...and thanks for your patience

Guest 5: my wife is bi and is a beginner dom. and wants a slave were should she start?

Guest 12: well, I always look thru these childlike goggles, I consider myself learning constantly and take punishment and correction the same way

Guest 14: ?

THRVGloryB: Guest5, does she have any contacts in the D&S Scene? Does she belong to any groups in your area, for example?

THRVPashun: Guest14, thanks...I will call on you after Guest 13:)

Guest 7: ?

Guest 5: not really we have tried clubs

THRVGloryB: Guest12--that's how I see the submissive, in many ways.

Tnkrbell77: <---feels secure knowing that Mistress is the authority figure in my life.

Guest 2: Guest6 I can answer the punishment question in an I'm if you'd like since we're moving on and appropriately so well maybe we're still on the parenting topic

THRVGloryB: Tink, Guest3, Guest12--still waiting to here from you on why or how you agree there's a subtle parental dynamic in D&S. :-)

Tnkrbell77: much the same way a parent would be. The certainty that real infractions will be justly punished gives a parental like sense of security as well.

THRVGloryB: Well, Guest2--since you raised the topic of skills that doms should possess... I think a dom has to be the "boss," the "parent," the "owner," and many more things with a submissive/slave.

Guest 6: Guest2, I didn't ask you about punishment, but if you'd like...

Guest 7: If there is need for punishment, it is for an offense and usually the submissive punishes themself far worse than the dominant does for a breach

Guest 12: I agree, of course :-)

Guest 9: I agree with that, Guest7

Guest 13: ??

THRVGloryB: Pashun--I will take new questions, if you've got 'em. :-)

Guest 10: how would you get started in the lifestyle

THRVPashun: Guest13....relax please

Guest 2: Guest7 that is true to a good extent and something children won't do with their parents

Guest 13: who's next??

THRVPashun: Guest13...go ahead with your question

Guest 7: ?

Guest 6: oh my...don't we, Guest2?

THRVGloryB: Guest 10: the way *most* people do it is by joining clubs... attending events (if possible).... at the very least getting started on-line. There are many... groups she could join, on-line, to begin making friends. It will *not* be difficult for her to find a submissive, if she is sincere But she should get out and talk to as many people as possible, and perhaps learn about how different couples run their relationships... so that she has something to offer subs. The more experienced... the dominant, the better quality submissive she can have. A ruthless but simple rule of the SM jungle.

Guest 13: Hi Glory!!! I have a question!!

Guest 2: ok so maybe I made a generalization Guest6 My kids surely don't

Guest 13: what does submissive mean??? and what does it involve???

Guest 12:

Guest 7: Guest13, just to help out, I suggest you go to www.amazon.com and buy Gloria's book

THRVPashun: Good suggestion, Guest 7:)

THRVGloryB: So who's next? (rubbing hands)

THRVPashun: Guest14, please go ahead with your question :)

Guest 14: Thanks....How would a new slave or sub know if her master's punishments were excessive?

THRVPashun: Guest7 darlin...you are next :)

Guest 12: oh what a good ?

THRVGloryB: Got it, Guest14. The key to that is really within the individual. After a punishment... how does that submissive feel? Is s/he sore but happy? Or does she feel a little unhappy or confused, yet strangely secure that the dominant punished him/her because s/he loves.. the sub and knows what's best?

Guest 2: <~~ thinks punishment must be timely, the type has to be appropriate to the offense... and the Dom needs to be clean and without fault too

Guest 11: !

THRVPashun: Guest11..go right ahead with your comment :)

Guest 11: after a punishment..Mistress always sits me down and we talk about it

Guest 7: <--thinks offense should be stated and discussed and then punishment defined and then completed then forgotten

THRVGloryB: If the sub just feels miserable afterwards... and remembers the event unhappily, then the dom has probably stepped over the line.

Guest 14: ?

Guest 6: very well stated

THRVGloryB: Is this a personal concern, Guest14? Go ahead with your question. Thanks, Guest6! That's why they pay me millions to do this. ;-)

THRVPashun: Guest14...if you have a follow up question, go ahead :)

THRVBuja: Millions? Is there some embezelling going on? :)

Guest 12: <--- wonders if that's true LOL

Guest 14: Thanks again...Is it typical of a new slave (with no experience at all) to feel a need for real master to be stronger than any other desire? Am I normal?

THRVGloryB: Guest14, I didn't quite understand the first part of your question. Are you saying, basically, that you're dying for a Master even though you've never had one?

Guest 14: Yes, I the desire to be a real slave supercedes any other desire I have.
Are you male?

THRVGloryB: Guest14, I think that is QUITE normal! I hope some other femsubs can confirm? Guest6-Guest14 has a point. We do have a penchant for penises in this house.

Guest 12: I think I've heard it called "submissive frenzies" lol

Guest 2: ::perk:::

Guest 6: sorry, Glory...I don't have a penis

THRVGloryB: "Submissive Frenzies" is a great term!!! I love it.

Guest 4: I have those.........

Guest 15: Sometimes a cigar is just a penis. I read that somewhere......

THRVGloryB: Well, Guest12...(looking sad)....Wait! (perking up!) I'm sure I can find one for you somewhere around here!

Guest 6: ummm..unless he gives me his

Guest 2: there you go!!!!

Guest 16: LOL

Guest 2: You go girl!!!!

THRVPashun: Guest7....go ahead and ask your question :)

Guest 7: Gloria, back to the question about someone deciding to be a Domme. Do you feel a dominant can be trained as opposed to it being a natural state for them? I dont know how someone without the attitude and mind set could do that easily......

THRVGloryB: Let's see (digging busily through equipment bag)... (holding up strap-on and dildo).... well, lookee, lookee, look what I found!

Guest 12: I can send You the article Ms Gloria, if You like, Submissive Frenzies

Guest 2: Watching Tink get excited:::

THRVGloryB: Guest12, I'd love it! Thanks.

Guest 16: Mmmm..... strap-ons :-)

Guest 6: LOL...You are so kind, Glory

Guest 7: LOL Glory, she prefers the welded on LOL

Tnkrbell77: :perk:

Guest 19: hi Guest17..:)

THRVGloryB: BTW, Guest12, I'm working on an etiquette list for subs at parties.

Guest 15: Cool

Guest 2: Guest7 I don't think it can be taught without the right mindset

Guest 12: thank You Ms Gloria!

THRVGloryB: Guest7....that's a good question. To be honest, while I do think you can train someone to be good, technically, with the whips and bondage equipment... I believe that if your heart is not in domination, you will never be a very good dom.

Guest 12: grrrrr, i'll get thru this :-)

Guest 7: Sub Frenzy is like an article I read years ago about accidents in Porsches. most happen in the first 6 months of ownership I totally agree Glory,, if it isn't second nature it is a role being played and easy for someone to forget their lines

THRVGloryB: I'd say the same of a submissive. If it's not a natural role for you, you may learn the rituals perfectly, but you won't have the enthusiasm that I believe leads to creativity and intimacy in SM. One of the biggest turn- offs to me is when I see folks at clubs... who've learned the manual skills but obviously have no real love for what they're doing, other than as performance art, perhaps.

Guest 6: no, Sir..it's not forgetting..it's becoming consumed by the desire & hunger

Guest 15: very well stated Guest6

Guest 21: ?

Guest 22: ?

Guest 6: thanks, Guest15

THRVGloryB: Next question?

THRVPashun: Who would like to ask the next question?:)

Guest 21: Ms Glory, how do you feel about submissive males taking there morning jog wearing lipstick?

Guest 12: I like to know someone is truly enjoying themselves playing with me too

THRVGloryB: Guest7--one tiny thing I want to add: from the very first, I knew I loved SM. It was totally exhilarating to me.

Guest 16: Hey, me, too. Cool.

THRVGloryB: You too, Guest16? How cool!

THRVPashun: Guest21, go ahead :)

Guest 2: Guest21.. how early?? before or after sunrise??

Guest 7: LOL Glory an that is good, us males have a very easy way to tell when we start getting erect at the thought LOL

Guest 21: lol after of course.

Guest 11: I knew I was born to be a Sub

THRVGloryB: Guest21, I think it's cute as a button.

Guest 2: Guest7 is my hero this week!!!!

Guest 21: I'll bet you do.

Guest 7: LOL Guest2

THRVGloryB: I once forced a sub of mine to do his afternoon run in lipstick. He was humiliated to death, sucking on his lips the whole way :-)

THRVPashun: Guest22, go ahead with your question :)

Guest 12: classic

Guest 21: hmmmmm?

Guest 14: ?

Guest 21: LOL. yes I was.

Guest 6: LOL...Guest7 is always my hero

Guest 2: Tink was my hero last week

Tnkrbell77: moi?

THRVGloryB: Guest2, you have a lot of heroes. How come no heroines?

Guest 11: Mistress did that to me also Ms Glory..but with finger nail polish on also

Guest 7: Guest6 I will wear lipstick this weekend to play golf, but I will decide where it is placed LOL

Guest 22: Ms Glory, do you feel it is necessary for people to label themselves as exclusively top or bottom...or is it ok to switch as long as one is clear with their play partner?

Guest 2: well....... I have heroines too GLory you came close last week by waving the whip at us all....

Guest 6: LOLOL..may I place it "wherever"? Sir

Guest 2: but Tink promised me an autographed book for $100,000

THRVGloryB: Guest22, generally I guess I'm somewhat "traditional" about roles... but in this way I do differ with the Old Guard way of thinking...I believe SM is a kind of sexual anarchy. I think the ONLY thing that is REALLY important is that the partners are (a) TRUTHFUL, (b) SINCERE, and (c) KNOW WHAT TURNS THEM ON. Whatever arrangement works best for them is their business.

Guest 12: <-- listening closely

Guest 22: thanks, Ms Glory....I completely agree....I find many other gay men want to fit into just one role...I feel more diverse than that

THRVGloryB: I think if a top wants to take it in the ass, that's his business! :-) If he and his partner understand and love each other, that's everything.

Guest 23: ?

Guest 22: TRUTHFUL....LOL, sooooooooooooo true

THRVPashun: Guest23...go ahead with your question :)

Guest 22: thanks, Ms Glory it's a new chat for me...congrats AOL

Guest 12: I like the term 'sexual anarchy'

THRVGloryB: Sure, Guest22. And thank you for coming here tonight! We are totally pansexual here, but haven't yet had a lot of our queer leather friends show up.

Guest 23: OK....I am not sure about the whole topic of chat here...but I am curious do women enjoy breast sex?

Guest 12: maybe you should ask some Guest23

Guest 22: well, count me in! :o)

THRVGloryB: Cool! :-)

THRVPashun: Guest23...perhaps you should visit our chat in the Sexuality Salon with THRVSexDoc :)

Guest 7: Gloria do'nt you think that any relationship should have those facets, but in our chosen lifestyle are must have type items?

THRVGloryB: Breast sex probably wouldn't fall under D&S, unless it's your fetish. In which case, I'd be happy to talk about it.

Guest 2: Glory I do have a Heroine!!!! She just arrived!!!!

Guest 23: well actually breasts are a fetish of mine I have a breast fetish

THRVGloryB: Guest7--what would you consider to be must-have's? I've made tink wear a plastic piggy nose.

Guest 23: !

Guest 7: Honesty, communication, respect , and for me love and those things lead to the trust we must have and share

Guest 22: Thanks Ms Glory :o) (there's one for ya)

Guest 12: ever tried piggy ears from a party store? LOL

THRVGloryB: I'm with you there, Guest7(squeezing ClnCut's nose) (listening to it squeak)

Guest 22: LOL...not yet...sounds fun...can't wait to buy my first dog bowl, too oink, oink MsGlory

Guest 14: could you please e mail it, Guest6?

Guest 6: email what, Guest14?

THRVPashun: Guest23...THRVSexDoc has a chat every Thursday night at 10pmET in the Sexuality Salon...you can get there from the screen you used to get in here :)

Guest 2: Integrity

THRVGloryB: Ooooh! Guest22, don't get me excited in the middle of a conference!

Guest 22: LMAO

THRVBuja: Nooo, we couldn't have that! ;)

Tnkrbell77: Is the piggy nose "humiliation"... or "degradation" ? :-)

Guest 23: but I need some info now...I have a fetish, is this the room for that

THRVGloryB: Guest23--there are, of course, a lot of people who share your fetish. Not just the guys who flip through Playboy, but men and women... who genuinely see breasts as fetish objects. Guest23, if you could find a woman who can achieve orgasm... through nipple stimulation (as some can), you'd be a good match!

Guest 14: sorry, confused easily today...Could you e mail me later?

Guest 6: LOL...sure, Guest14

Guest 22: Guest1, for me, the nose holds a whole NEW context in this room...it's what you want or NEED it to be :o)

Guest 15: Hold your nose?

Guest 23: but I am different then some people...sometimes all I care about in a women is her breasts

THRVGloryB: I understand, Guest23. That would qualify as a fetish. And as I said, yes, there are women who share the fetish. There are lesbians, for example, who are very breast-focused. But also straight women who have like tons of breast stimulation.

THRVPashun: Who would like to ask the next question?:)

Guest 23: I love women who have a great chest

Guest 12: LOL, that wouldn't apply to me

Guest 15: ?

Guest 22: ?

THRVPashun: Ahhh Guest15..please go ahead :)

Guest 15: Glory, should subs be humiliated? To make them feel their sub space better?

THRVGloryB: <--has great chest.
THRVGloryB: <--has great armoire too

Guest 15: Is that integral to the equation?

Guest 21: LOL

Guest 15: ROFL

Tnkrbell77: Good question Guest15. :-)

Guest 23: don't mean to be rude, but glory, what size?

THRVGloryB: Guest15, I don't believe you can apply any rule.... to ALL slaves.

Guest 12: HA!

Guest 25: good question? how can you generalize like that?

Guest 6: LOL...now ya gonna ask her what she's wearing?

Guest 15: I would never humiliate my slave.

Guest 23: no, I was just curious she said she had a nice chest...I was curious

THRVGloryB: Personally, I love to humiliate subs, so I only play with ones who respond to that.

Guest 6: I was teasing, Guest23

Guest 4: thank you Sir

THRVGloryB: Guest23, my bra size is 32-D.

Guest 15: Although she'd look good scrubbing the floor at the Sanctuary....

Guest 23: Oh my God...you wern't kidding... that is a great size glory

Guest 26: how can a sub/slave be humiliated... s/he has offered to do whatever to please...

Guest 6: oh my Guest23 is drooling now

Guest 23: yes I am

Guest 15: A pig nose and Spock ears is humiliating.

Guest 14: ?

Guest 6: LOL...I saw

Guest 21: so is jogging wearing lipstick.

THRVGloryB: My armoire is 58"hX48"WX18"D

THRVGloryB: Any other measurements you'd like, Guest23? We aim to please.

Guest 26: but they have made the decision...

Guest 11: LOL

Guest 23: All if you don't mind... lets get the full picture of you. If you would like

Guest 7: Humiliation is different for different people....... I call Guest6 things that some would see as humiliation, but we know it isn't, it is acknowledging what she is do a positive manner

Guest 27: What flogger size is best for clothes pins on nipples?

Guest 22: Ms Glory, I just ended (well, HE ended) a 2+ year relationship with a man I love, but who isn't into kink... he was judgmental and it caused me to lose interest in teaching him what I like...can you talk about the challenges of teaching someone about your own personal fetishes?

Guest 6: humilation is a relative term what I want & love from You I would have a fit from another

Guest 26: exactly Guest6

Guest 2: and some subs just want to serve and please and are not into humiliation. Humiliation is not my bag or my sub's so we make a great pair

Guest 7: very true

Guest 26: objective/sub (no pun intended) jective

THRVGloryB: I agree with Guest6 that humiliation is a relative terms. Different people give it different weight and different meanings.

Tnkrbell77: Guest12 rotfl

Guest 27: ?

Guest 17: There are kinds of humiliation that most people never aware were even humiliation

THRVGloryB: Guest22...well, if he wasn't into kink at all, chances are that no matter how gentle and patient you were with him... he wouldn't be able to get beyond his own fears and inhibitions.

Guest 15: Some would say anything we do in the lifestyle is humiliating.

Guest 28: Why would that be Guest7??

Guest 7: Guest2. a good example. after an especially good time of oral sex, calling a submissive " my wonderful little c**ksucker" would be thrilling for some, not degrading

Guest 2: Good point and my baby down on her knees with her collar on is not.... humiliating to her but would b to many vanillas

Guest 15: I think straight persons would say being spanked in humiliating. Or being whipped nude on a cross

Guest 17: Guest7..humiliation is what brings you closer to the Domme it emphasizes her power

Guest 22: thanks, Glory...I feel the same way...it's still tough, but I rely on the mutual exchange of energy...it just wasn't there

THRVGloryB: As much as possible, I try to limit myself to playing with people who are enthusiastic about learning, whose burning ambition is pleasing, and learning how to do what they've learned perfectly. Right. Without that fundamental energy, you've like Sisyphyus... pushing that boulder up a mountain.

Guest 14: What is the difference between a sub and a slave?

Guest 22: sigh...thanks, Ms Glory...I completely agree :o)

Guest 17: Guest14..I was just discussing that with my Domme she told me and I agree that I am not a doormat, I think it's the amount of affection

THRVGloryB: Yep, a constantly backsliding rock. Even the most intense and powerful top can't top EVERYONE.

Guest 22: I have felt that way for two years...ugh!

Guest 28: ok..new here. I did not understand that difference..

Guest 2: or like Orestes with the demons screaming in your head

Guest 14: Is the success rate of these types of relationships any better than vanilla relationships?

THRVGloryB: The will must be there on the sub's side. Part of the magic of the power arrangement & power flow... is the sub's willingness and DESIRE to yield authority.

Guest 17: Ms. Glory..my Domme's Dom is returning to town next month do you think she can handle two relationships at opposite ends of the whip?

Guest 15: Right, Glory.

Guest 7: Isn't submission a matter of always moving up steps to a plateau then having to walk backward a step or two before moving to the next set of steps and the next plateau?

THRVGloryB: Guest17, people can do that. Whether your Domme can, I don't know. Do you feel she is strong enough and balanced enough to handle the intensity of two relationships?

Guest 22: Thanks, Glory...I'll let my online leather friends know of this chat on Sundays....this is a great forum!!

Guest 12: I'd love to hear the answer to that one

Guest 17: So it is possible I think she might be able to Ms Glory I hope so it would break my heart

THRVGloryB: Thanks, Guest22! The more the merrier!

Guest 2: All legitimate growth involves some emotional strife and if we avoid that emotional pain it only gets more painful in the long run and eventually will spell the end of the relationship

Guest 6: I know...but from my side, i wish we could, Guest2 I've spent all my life never giving my emotional side...till now

THRVGloryB: Guest14, you asked if D&S relationships are more successful than vanilla ones. I guess that depends on how you measure success? Purely in terms of longevity, no, I don't think they last any longer than any other kind of relationship. But (at least in my experience) they are qualitatively better.

Guest 22: ?

Guest 17: Ms Glory..I believe D&S relationships have more communication

Guest 7: YES! Glory

THRVGloryB: Speaking just for myself, I've enjoyed all my SM relationships... even ones that didn't work out in the end.

Guest 6: you're correct, Guest2....that's why I'm giving what I've never wanted to give before

Guest 2: they have better communication because they MUST to survive. And isn't Guest7 the lucky one for it Guest6

THRVGloryB: Vanilla ones never really satisfied me in the same way.

Guest 6: LOL...sometimes I think he'd say not

Guest 7: Guest2, we are both lucky... smiles

Guest 2: actually... Guest6 you end up being the one to benefit from giving like that and you both know that I am sure. OK, so I promised not to behave tonight...how'd I do???

Guest 17: A lot less beating around the bush in an S&M relationship Ms Gloria

THRVBuja: We have time for one more questions folks.

THRVGloryB: I agree, Guest17. A lot more honesty. A lot more intimacy too, I feel. How about some good old fashioned beating ON the bush?

Guest 6: Guest2....at times it still scares me so much I try to run

Guest 17: Wow....she talked to me...LOL

THRVGloryB: <--for those who still have their bushes left, that is

Guest 14: Thank you so much!

Guest 23: ?

Tnkrbell77:

Guest 17: Ms. Gloria...really exciting chatting with you with what few words we had take care! : )

THRVGloryB: Thanks, Guest17! So...is there a last question?

Guest 22: ?

THRVGloryB: Uh-oh. I think the subs are all in a lather. Over being shaved.

Guest 17: Ms Gloria...are you a sadist?

THRVGloryB: Guest17, yes, I am.

THRVBuja: Well folks... our time here is about up. Thank you for joining us. And special thanks to Glory and Pashun! Goodnight everyone. See you next week!

Guest 22: Ms Glory, this may be an OBVIOUS question, but can you provide me with some referral information about books or online resources available for further education of myself and other open minded people?

THRVGloryB: Guest22, what exactly do you seek?

Guest 15: "Different Loving" is a good book

THRVPashun: you are welcome, Buja! :) Night night Buja and Glory! ;)

Guest 22: info for the curious, Ms Glory

THRVGloryB: Guest22--have you visited the Different Loving website? I have an enormous links catalogue (pansexual, lots of queer sources). You can find literally anything & everything you'd want on the Web from there.
http://gloria-brame.com/love8.htm that takes you straight to the links. My site's very big too.

Tnkrbell77: Goodnight everyone.

Guest 22: Thanks for your words, Glory

THRVGloryB: Goodnight, all! Thanks so much! You're such a FUN group! It goes waaaay fast!