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  Transcript of Different Loving Conference on AOL for 12-04-98
with Gloria Brame (THRVGloryB) and moderators THRVPashun & Honey

TOPICS

DOMINA
Experience at a BDSM Club
Love in a BDSM Relationship
CBT Safety
Proper Terminology for SM or D/S Lifestyles
Genital Piercing
Waxing
Ratio of Male/Female, Dom/Subs

THRVPashun: Glory will be here momentarily for our super BDSM chat :)

THRVGloryB: Hello, all!

Guest 1: there she is! clap clap

THRVPashun: {{{{{{GLORY}}}}}}} OH how I've missed you!

Guest 2: Hi everyone!

Guest 3: clap clap

THRVPashun: hiya Guest 2:)

THRVGloryB: PASHIE!!! How are you, darling? Hiya Guest1! And Honey

THRVHoney: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Glory Pie}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Guest 2: hey Pashun ; )

THRVPashun: I am great, Glory...but feeling deprived of your presence lately.

THRVGloryB: Wow, it feels like it's been MONTHS since I saw y'all!

THRVPashun: I know.. How was your Thanksgiving?

THRVGloryB: Fine, thanks. How about you? All okay?

THRVPashun: Very nice, thanks :)

Guest 4: Hiya everyone

THRVGloryB: I hope everyone here had a pleasant holiday?

Guest 5: Hi all

THRVGloryB: Howdy, Guest5!

Guest 1: hiya Guest5...tnkr

Guest 2: hey Guest 5: ) tink... everyone else I missed sayin hi to : )

THRVPashun: Ladies and gents, Doms/Dommes and subbies...it is my pleasure to welcome you to our BDSM and kink chat with our lovely and lusty THRVGloryB! :)

Guest 3: hello all new folks

THRVPashun: {{{Tink}}} Smooches :)

Guest 6: hi Guest3

THRVHoney: Please type in a "?" for any questions for Glory, or a "!" for any comments and I will call on you.......:-)

Guest 3: ok Honey!

Guest 4: Geesh hi again!

THRVPashun: Honey will be calling on you in order from below :) Let's have some fun! :)

THRVGloryB: Ooh! Pashie wants to have fun! Hmmm! ;-)

THRVPashun: I sure do! Wow!! What a crowd tonight! :) Super!

Guest 7: you made it Guest 8:)

THRVHoney: K.....Que is wide open for any questions.....:-)

Guest 8: {{{ Guest7}}}

THRVGloryB: So does anyone have any questions...comments...

Guest 2: !

Guest 1: comment..read domina enjoyed it...

THRVHoney: Guest2, your comment, please

THRVGloryB: pointless flattery accepted as well. :-)

Guest 1: last fifty or so pages....the best

THRVGloryB: Ah, there ya go, Guest1! :-)

Tnkrbell77: hi Guest1

Guest 2: Glory-- I had to thank you for your club going pointers... I had a great time : )

Guest 1: this may be a sin..but liked the emotional stuff better than the Kink in the book

THRVGloryB: Cool, Guest2. Would you like to tell us a little about your experience? Guest1, no sin at all. I'm glad to hear it. :-)

Guest 2: well unfortunately the night I went I was kinda sick so I had to leave when the action started gettin good BUT I met a lot of really cool people and it was really relaxed and I really shouldn't have been as nervous as I was

THRVPashun: Guest1, I enjoyed the kink but I was also taken in by the characters

Guest 9: ?I came in late. May I ask the title of the book?

THRVGloryB: And what did you wear, Guest2? :-) Hi, Guest9!

Tnkrbell77: Guest2.. which club?

THRVHoney: Please type in a "?" for any questions for Glory, or a "!" for any comments and I will call on you.......:-)

Guest 2: I went to Paddles Tink I just wore black pants and a black sweater... I was comfy

THRVPashun: Guest10!! mmmmmm :)

Tnkrbell77: ok

Guest 11: So ummmm when does this start?

Guest 9: Hi Glory

Guest 12: how we all doing in here tonight

Guest 2: and you were right Glory... people wear everything from the very conservative to the very fetishy but it was a real comfortable atmosphere : )

THRVGloryB: Hiya, Guest9. I'd like folks to know that Guest9 has... his very own page on my website (gloria-brame.com) where he offers.... a great basic primer on legal rights & SM.


Guest 10: MMMM to yo too Pashun!

Guest 11: Ohh we have already started???

THRVGloryB: Yes, Sea, we're roaring away. :-)

Guest 11: :::stratches head::: it's been a long time since I have been here.....

THRVGloryB: Big crowd tonight! Wowsers. Welcome to everyone, old friends & new ones.

Guest 1: !

Guest 11: Hiya Glory

THRVHoney: Guest1, you have a comment, hun?

Guest 1: ok more babble.......liked the last fifty or so.....cause there was a hint of domina's feelings ending was real sad for me..she was so hurt and was hiding it.... well done.....

Tnkrbell77: wowsers = New York exclamatory expression :-)

THRVPashun: Guest4....come sit by me..away from the door, my dear :)

THRVGloryB: <--giving Tink stern look >:-<

Guest 11: ?

Tnkrbell77:

THRVGloryB: Thanks, Guest1. She was trying to do the dommely thing. ;-)

Guest 1: that's it.....I be quiet now )<--english major)

Guest 4: I know, the door is a dangerous place for me huh?

Tnkrbell77: <---was translating for fellow southernors

Guest 3: ?

Guest 12: ...newcomer...(hi gloria :)...level of explicity allowed? are we pg-13?

Guest 13: HELLO IM new on lin and this forum talk to me host or any 1

Guest 11: So what is the topic tonight Glory???

THRVHoney: Guest11, your question, please. Guest3, I will call on you in a few minutes, love

THRVGloryB: Guest12, no profanity, but this is an adult chat area designed..
for frank discussion of adult sexuality. Does that answer it for ya? :-)

Guest 11: Anything specific you all were planning on chatting about tonight?

Guest 12: pretty clearly...thanks :)

THRVGloryB: Guest11, this is an open chat, no subject--people can ask questions, chat about SM, etc.

Guest 3: no prob Honey

Guest 14: Did you get the Card Gloria??

THRVGloryB: Gratuitous worship always welcome too. :-)

Guest 11: Well yes, that much I remember....just was wondering if a topic was started yet.

THRVGloryB: Which card, Guest14?

Guest 14: From Desade's Dungeon For you and Will

Guest 12: got some questions on fellatio...open to any tips-audience or host any hot spots to pay extra attention to?

Guest 13: ?

Guest 1: ?

Guest 11: wow look at all the questions flying...

THRVGloryB: Guest14--was it an electronic card?

Guest 14: Yep

THRVGloryB: Questions are us!

Guest 13: lets talk about spankin

THRVGloryB: Yes, Guest14! it was very sweet of you, too. Thanks. (And thanks for dropping by tonight!)

Guest 8: yes- let's

Guest 3: what format was the above-mentioned Domina available in?

THRVHoney: Guest3, you had a question, hun?

THRVGloryB: Honey, who's first?

Guest 14: I could of course resend it if you would Like

THRVHoney: Mr. Guest3 is, Glory

THRVGloryB: Guest3--Domina is available in regular book form, and also as a downloadable file. You can get info about the book by visiting my website, Guest3. gloria-brame.com"

Guest 3: thanks Glory I will

Guest 12: ?

THRVHoney: Guest13, your question, please

Guest 10: Cool Ms. Brane!

Guest 1: ok...can we talk a litle about the love thing. I understand that it doesn't have to be the part of every d/s relationship but how are boundaries drawn up or stated.......

Guest 11: Love or sex Guest1?? there is a difference...right glory?

Guest 1: both Guest11..but I was thinking about the emotional stuff.....
and I perfer not to separate love and sex....I get hurt when I do that

Guest 13: how to know if a prospective fem wants the punishment they desrv

THRVGloryB: Guest1, there are no hard and fast rules but personally I see SM...
the way I always saw vanilla sex, i.e., it can be lots of fun... without love, but it takes on a special, deeper meaning when love is part of the relationship.

Guest 11: Well....do you love your friends?

Guest 1: yes Guest11....

THRVHoney: Guest13, Glory will answer your Q next.....K?

Guest 11: I am hoping you don't have sex with all of them..

Guest 14: ?

Guest 1: :)...

Guest 13: thanks

THRVGloryB: Guest1, if you know that you get hurt when love isn't part of the picture...then obviously that should be your goal. There is no reason to compromise.

Guest 1: understood......

THRVGloryB: Love and D&S go along like...champagne and pate. :-)

THRVHoney: Guest12, your question, please....;-)

Guest 12: looking for advise on a more physical level...oral sex (male) rookie in this field and open to suggestions to make it pleasurable for him and tips? secrets?

Guest 11: Oh my....that may be another chat room all together.

THRVGloryB: Guest12, are you asking about oral sex from a submissive point of view? I can speak to oral sex in a BDSM context but otherwise... if it's just tips about technique you'd do best coming to another chat. :-)

THRVPashun: Guest12...perhaps you might find some more help if you visit THRVSexDoc on Thursday nights at 10 in the Sexuality Salon :)

Guest 11: :-)

Guest 12: care to join the 'answer' team feel free to jump in guys ;) I'm up to hear your suggest.

Guest 13: !

THRVHoney: Guest13, you have a comment?

Guest 15: Guest12, but if you like to use your teeth, I think you fit right into this chat!

Guest 8: lol

THRVGloryB: Guest15! ROFL!

THRVPashun: LOL, Guest 15:)

Guest 12: he he :)

THRVHoney: Guest14, I will call on you in a few minutes...:-)

THRVGloryB: That's why I asked Guest12 if it was from a sub perspective... I can make suggestions for a sub to enhance her master's pleasure...or a domme to cause her sub a bit of pain when she "indulges" him. :-)

Guest 13: I was typing and missed my ansr to prev ?

Guest 1: or Mistress! listening.....

THRVGloryB: Guest12?

Guest 11: :::nudges Guest12 and points up::::

Guest 15: Glory, I'd like to hear about that. Am visiting a sub tomorrow who wants to try top; specifically CBT.

THRVGloryB: I can see that all the men in the room are sitting on the edges of their seats.

Guest 2: hehehe

THRVGloryB: <--suddenly VERY confused! :-) Guest15, hang on-- you're visiting a sub who wants to try the top and wants you to do CBT to him?

Guest 1: oh heck have to run......good night all!!!!

THRVGloryB: Guest1! Right before I give away all my secrets on oral sex!?

Guest 15: No, she wants to do CBT on me, wax, bondage, clamps etc.

Tnkrbell77: bye Guest1

Guest 2: ?

THRVHoney: Guest13, would you mind retyping your question?

THRVGloryB: AH! Gotcha, Guest15!

Tnkrbell77: and she is the sub?

Guest 13: ohh my ???? be still

THRVGloryB: And I presume you're game to let her have a go at your sensitive parts?

Guest 14: Lately I have been running into trouble over my Website because I use the phrase BDSM instead of D&S and I was wondering if there is so much of a difference..I was thinking of it as more of a Term than anything

Tnkrbell77: oh... switching

Guest 12: sorry glory-amazing how much you guys open up to that question. ought to use that line in a singles bar someday

Guest 15: Yup, but could use some advice. Would love your thoughts.

THRVGloryB: Guest15, are you going to have to be guiding her through torturing your pink parts? Interesting concept! :-) Guest14, darling, hang on. I haven't finished with Guest15 just yet... I am so tantalized by his predicament. :-)

Guest 14: Sorry

Tnkrbell77: "bottoming from the top" ?

Guest 15: Yes. She has done some bondage and spanking of said parts, not on me.

Guest 2: LOL

Guest 13: no prob how to know if fem is sub I scare em off

Guest 11: :::giggles at Glory:::: me too...go on From...

THRVGloryB: I hope you've got a safe word, Guest15. :-)

THRVHoney: Hiya, Guest16!

Tnkrbell77: rotfl

THRVPashun: {{{Guest16}}}

THRVGloryB: One thing to keep in mind about (some) subs who take over the top role...

Guest 15: How about "Ouch"?

THRVGloryB: Guest16!! Hiya!

Guest 16: OMG, I forgot tonite was Friday! Sorry folks, My apologies Glory.

Guest 11: ::::falling over laughing::::

Tnkrbell77: Guest16.. hiya

THRVGloryB: Ouch is a good one, Guest15. "Boo-hoo-hoo" isn't bad either. :-)

Guest 4: Hiya Guest16

THRVGloryB: to continue: some who take the top role do to the bottom what they'd like...done to themselves. In other words, they can play pretty rough.

Guest 11: how about..."Hey...that freakin' hurts!!!"

Guest 16: Hey tink :-) Honey et al. :-)))

Tnkrbell77: I dunno.. boo hoo hasn't worked for me. :-)

THRVGloryB: Tink, that's because you're a cooked goose.

Guest 4: lol

Guest 15: I've watched her take a pretty hard flogging (front and back) from a male top at a PEP event.

THRVGloryB: Guest11, that's about the best safeword I've ever heard! :-) It's right up there with "Cut that out!" :-)

Guest 2: LOL ouch never worked for me

Tnkrbell77: :-) yeah.. ouch is really going to make a sadist stop isn't it. :-)

Guest 2: LOL uhhh no sadist I know : )

THRVGloryB: Guest15, exactly what kind of advice are you looking for?

Guest 11: :::thinks::: how about..."I think I am going to DIE!!"

THRVGloryB: When a sadist hears "ouch," she hears "oh, please, more, MORE!"

Guest 2: LOL

Guest 15: Do's and don'ts. Ideas for a novice.

Tnkrbell77: me neither.

Guest 11: the best code words are still red, yellow and green.

Guest 4: ~ grins~

THRVGloryB: Guest15, you have to set your own limits with her. For example, you might not necessarily want to wake up the next day....with a big ring through the head of your penis. On the other hand.. maybe you would. :-)

Guest 2: ooooooooo

Guest 11: OUCH...that'll leave a nasty little mark..

THRVGloryB: Obviously Guest2 likes the idea! :-)

Guest 17: Why would you wanna pierce your penis?

Guest 4: ow none fer me thanx

Guest 15: Probably not. Wouldn't go over too well with my doctor next week.

Guest 11: somethin to do on a boring Sunday night...since Glory and the gang aren't on that night anymore

Guest 13: I'll pas for now tooo

THRVGloryB: Guest15, do you know your own limits as a sub? Since you're going to let her play with your genitals you might want...to discuss a few limits (like no permanent scars, marks, etc.)...and if you have any special sensitivities you should discuss them in advance.

Guest 11: !

Guest 15: Pretty heavy, but mostly with whippings. I'm inexperienced with CBT
.
THRVGloryB: Well, CBT is one of my favorite types of play, but you have to start out slow...to get a clear idea of how much the man can take. Different men... have different thresholds of pain. Some can take quite a bit...others (particularly if they're nervous) find that even small sensations...are very powerful.

THRVHoney: Guest11, your comment, please

Guest 11: Glory...wouldn't a code word system such as red, yellow and green be good for this evening he has planned?

Guest 2: are penis piercings painful?

THRVGloryB: Guest11, safewords are good up to a point. Nothing, in my opinion replaces open communication, in plain English.

Guest 2: oops sorry I asked out of order

Guest 4: not to a woman

Guest 2: LOL Guest4

Guest 17: getting mine in the zipper is bad enough can't imagine getting it pieced

THRVGloryB: LOL, Guest4. How true!

Guest 13: ha ha ha

THRVGloryB: Guest17, it isn't *quite* the same.

Guest 9: !

Guest 16: <--- (squicks silently)

Guest 15: Pieced? I think that's what Mrs. Bobbit did!

Guest 11: My thought was more or less....even in a situation such as this , he may want to ease her on with some smiles while saying no, but meaning yes

THRVGloryB: Guest15, do you feel relatively secure that your friend understands the basics of male genitalia? :-)

THRVHoney: Guest9, your comment, please

Guest 2: hehehe Guest15 not quite...unless she was usin a REAL bad needle

THRVGloryB: Such as...pinching and hurting the loose skin of the scrotum isn't going to cause damage but one has to be careful not to..harm the underlying testicles?

Guest 15: One woman I talked to said I should coat everything with baby oil before wax is used on me.

Guest 14: No worse thing than having a ripped scrotum

Guest 2: oww

THRVGloryB: Guest14, well someone did mention the Bobbits...that might be worse. :-)

Guest 14: Lol So true

Guest 11: sure there is...having a nipple ripped off when playing with some nasty nipple clips

THRVGloryB: Personally, I prefer letting a man keep his genitals. It's so much more fun that way! You get to use them again...and again...and again. :-)

Tnkrbell77: (whew)

THRVPashun: OUCH!

Guest 18: !

Guest 14: The Baby oil is to make sure that the wax isn't going to stick to your hairs

THRVGloryB: Honey, sweetie, who's next?

THRVHoney: Guest18, you have a comment?

Guest 3: ?

THRVHoney: I believe Guest14 is next in line to ask a question Guest14, your question, please

Guest 18: John Bobbit is on news right now asking for Lorena back oops sorry

Guest 14: Ok The short Verison

THRVHoney: No, you are fine, Guest18

THRVPashun: He sure is, Honey :)

Guest 14: Umm I have always seen things like S/M bdsm as a term that we use to describe our life< Now in light of recent events I have been thinking that I might be wrong in thing such. So in terminology is it wrong for me to Say SM instead of D/S

Guest 11: brb....potty break..

THRVGloryB: Thank you for sharing, Guest11. Now we all have to wonder if she is using a REAL potty.

Guest 2: LOL

THRVGloryB: Guest14, I realize this is an issue that people get very worked up over...but (speaking for myself only), I've never differentiated between...B&D, SM, D&S--none of them are completely accurate terms. I think, in general, the people who get most upset about which term you use are expressing their own discomfort and fear...about being associated with the "wrong" kind of perversion...

Guest 13: ?

Guest 11: real potty al the way...whatever his name is...:::giggles:::

THRVGloryB: whereas in my opinion...there is no wrong kind.... except, of course, for the criminal kind (i.e., without consent).

Guest 14: Well you have been to our Website and We hope that you enjoyed it..And We are getting real flack over how we u use the Terms

Guest 15: I like SM. It's pure. I'm into the stimulation of pain more than being sub.

THRVGloryB: Guest14, but do you trust the source of these complaints? In other words...are those experienced players who are complaining?

Guest 11: Guest14...could you e-mail me a link to your website...I am very curious now

THRVGloryB: Guest15, so do I. I identify as a sadomasochist.

Guest 14: No I only Trusted those that have helped me such as yourself

Guest 13: I need a real fem sub in indiana ???

Guest 16: Me too Guest14, thanks.

THRVGloryB: Guest14, may I suggest (kindly) that you not let people get to you...or try to impose *their* problems with terms on you? We got a lot of flack from people for calling our book ...."an exploration of sexual dominance & submission" because...there are people who believe power is not a necessary component of SM.

THRVHoney: Guest2, you had a question?

Guest 14: And thank you again Gloria

Guest 2: yep... my question is about wax : )oop

THRVHoney: Go for it, Guest2!

Guest 4: oh?

Guest 2: hehe thanks Honey

THRVGloryB: Sure thing, Guest14. Guest2, go for it! :-) What's the question?

Guest 14: Gloria Thanks

Guest 2: I just wanted to know if there is a certain kind of wax.. that should or should not be used ?

THRVHoney: Please type in a "?" for any questions for Glory, or a "!" for any comments and I will call on you.......:-)

Guest 11: :::looks at the time::: I really must fly....Honey..I will see you next week.....

THRVGloryB: Guest2, the only advice there is that some candles contain dyes which can burn the skin. The main thing to remember is to keep the candle... far enough away from the skin that the dripping wax will be hot..but won't scald or burn the skin when it falls.

THRVHoney: Night, Guest11! Thanx for coming!!!!

THRVPashun: goodnight Guest 11: )

Guest 11: Thank you for having me and my BIG mouth....goodnight Pashun ...night Glory!!

THRVPashun: and NO beeswax!

THRVGloryB: Night, Guest11! :-) Your big mouth is welcome here anytime.

Guest 2: Okay... thanks Glory : )

Guest 16: ohgawd, just don't use beeswax. toooo hot! very hard to control.

THRVGloryB: White candles are recommended.

THRVHoney: Guest3, Your question, please?

Guest 3: Percentage-wise, are there more female doms or subs? same question for males

Guest 2: cool...thank you : )

Guest 15: Do you agree that it's good to cover sensitive parts with baby oil before dripping wax?

THRVPashun: Honey Bunches of OOOooooos...we'll be able to take one more question after Guest 3:)

THRVGloryB: Guest15, as Guest14 pointed out, it will help you afterwards, when you want to peel it off yourself.

THRVHoney: LOL......Pash, how'd you know?

THRVPashun: I a psychic perv :) hahah

THRVGloryB: OMIGOD! I can't believe it's almost 1 a.m.!!! Guest3, to answer your question....there are no stats on this but in my experience, from observation these past 12+ years...I'd say there are probably about as many male as female subs in the SM population...

Guest 3: LOL thanks

Guest 4: Its not quite 11 here Gloria ~ winx~

Guest 2: : Þ Guest4... crazy Westcoaster's

Guest 3: aND DOMS?

THRVGloryB: Well, Guest3, if you're talking about *visible* percentages...sub men generally complain that there just aren't enough femdommes....(of the non-pro variety, anyway).

Guest 3: I see so probably most Doms are men

THRVGloryB: But I think most subs (fems included) would say that there aren't enough doms in general...Unfortunately there are a lot of men who've entered the Scene...

Guest 3: yes?

THRVGloryB: thinking that a submissive woman is someone who'll give them...a blow-job on demand. They don't quite understand...that submission is different from passivity.

Guest 4: LOL

THRVGloryB: So I think one does see a lot of male doms around...but how many of them...are really eager or prepared to take on the responsibilities of dominance...is a whole 'nother thing. Would some of the male doms here in the room agree?

Guest 16: vanilla weekend dom wannabes looking for a clue.

Tnkrbell77: Guest16... hahaha

THRVGloryB: Right, Guest16. Looking for easy sex and mistaking submission for "being easy."

Guest 3: thank you Glory that is as close to a complete answer as I could have hoped for

Guest 16: unfortunately they are far too common. Bad for the femsubs.

THRVGloryB: Guest3, I honestly don't believe that men are more naturally dominant than women...or vice versa! Simply that it's much more socially acceptable...for men to say they are dominant, or to mistake SM dominance...for garden-variety macho cluelessness.

Guest 3: LOL

THRVPashun: Unfortunately our time is up for the night :( Please come back next Friday night for another great chat with Glory! :)

Guest 3: thank you!

Guest 4: LOL again

THRVGloryB: There are plenty of women out there who have domme fantasies...but feel there's something wrong with expressing their desires...because it goes against our general social perception of women.

Guest 9: Night! Thanks Glory. I will visit again.

THRVGloryB: NO MORE MS. NICE GIRL! ;-)

Guest 3: LOL true

THRVPashun: WOO HOO!!! :)

THRVHoney: Yeah!!!!!! Oppsss

THRVGloryB: Well, folks, I can hardly believe it but the hour hath passed!

THRVHoney: Well, thank you all for another wonderful chat!!!!!

Guest 2: Good night all...thanks for a pleasant chat : )

Guest 5: G'night all! Thanx! : )

THRVPashun: Thank you Glory, my friend for a super chat! :)

THRVGloryB: Guest5, we didn't even hear a whimper out of you tonight!

Guest 16: Night folks, Glory, Tink, Honey and all my fellow kinky friends :-)

THRVPashun: {{{Honey Pie}}}} thanks darling one :)

THRVHoney: XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX

Guest 4: Thanx Gloria ~starts humming the Xmas song~

Tnkrbell77: night Guest16

THRVGloryB: Guest16, I owe you an email. Sorry! it's been hellacious here. I owe EVERYONE email! :-)

THRVPashun: Guest16...and me too? :)

Guest 13: thanks for patience girls

Guest 16: Ojeez, sorry Pash, didn't even see you up there.

THRVPashun: sniff sniff, Guest16

THRVGloryB: Night everybody! Thanks so much for coming tonight!



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