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  Transcript of Different Loving Conference on AOL for 01-29-99
with Gloria Brame (THRVGloryB) and moderator Pashun

TOPICS

Casual Chat
BDSM and Childhood Trauma


THRVGloryB: Thank god we're all perverts in here. :-)

THRVPashun: there are a few more coming... tee hee :)

Guest 1: We'll, uh, hold the fort while you're gone.

THRVGloryB: Guest2, the flu has inflicted yet a new, more ghastly indignity on yours truly. :-) I may have to mainline kaopectate at this rate. :-)

THRVPashun: {{Geust3}}

Guest 2: that's terrible

Guest 3: thank you Pahun

Guest 4: lol

THRVPashun: you are very welcome ;)

THRVGloryB: I'm trying to think of it as an adventure in watersports. :-)

Guest 3: this is quite a test of will to get here.

Guest 2: Gosh

THRVPashun: LOL :) where there is a will, there's a way! :)

Guest 6: LOL

Guest 5: I keep adding people to my buddy list and sending them the links lol

Guest 3: I always try to be resourceful or at least a resource that is used.

THRVGloryB: Thanks, Guest5! We will prevail! Thanks, Guest3!

THRVPashun: yup ;)

THRVGloryB: I think I can fairly say that this has been a shitty turn of events. So to speak.

Guest 1: A-hem! ;-)

THRVPashun: but we will make the most of it :) glad you found us, Guest 7:)

Guest 7: wasn't sure for a min

THRVGloryB: Well, hello to all you stalwart perverts. I'm amazed you've all managed to get here. :-) What a night!

Guest 6: Hi Guest7

Guest 7: hey all

Guest 6: LOL Glory

Guest 6: so, it's only 9:30...not so bad...12:30 your time..LOL

Guest 5: okey doke

THRVPashun: it must have been the trail of nipple clamps I left :) hahah

THRVGloryB: Apologies to those of you who showed up last week--I have had the flu from HELL.

Guest 2: it was easy..we just clicked on the link Gloria

Guest 5: hey Guest7, nice font color, how'd you do that?

Guest 6: Feeling better?

THRVPashun: Did I say THAT? :)

Guest 8: nipple clamps don't grow on trees

THRVGloryB: Good thinking, Pash.

Guest 1: Yep, you SURE did Pash! ;-)

THRVGloryB: Guest6, yes and no. :-)

THRVPashun: :)

Guest 7: lol, playing with new software for AOL and I find all kinds of stuff

Guest 6: Oh...good for yes...sorry for no....

Guest 2: I have some made from trees, does that count?

THRVGloryB: Fever is gone but, er, well, um.... :-) I infected tinkerbell with it too.

Guest 6: Oh...uh oh...yes, I know...

Guest 5: wowza :) will it werk on a Mac? LOL

Guest 6: My fingers are crossed that it doesn't cross my door step

Guest 7: maybe, it's called powertools nipple rings?!

Guest 4: not much works on a mac, sweetie. seee???

Guest 7: LOL!

Guest 5: ojeez... PC only. Hisssss

THRVGloryB: Guest5 and Guest4--how's by you? You had the same flu too, right?

Guest 5: yes but no intestinal trubbles respiratory only, still coughing after 3 weeks.

Guest 4: um, maybe, sorta, but not THAT kind - and don't want it either, thanks.

THRVGloryB: Lucky you! Though I've lost about 8-9 lbs in the past week.

Guest 6: I thought I just red "teletubbies" Red...shows you where my mind is at...lol

Guest 2: OMG

Guest 4: eeek, for sure don't send it my way then!

THRVPashun: LOL Guest 6: )

THRVGloryB: Guest1, when you see me tmw., I'll be a mere shadow of my former sadistic self.

Guest 6: Oh wow...I need the flu Glory...LOL

Guest 4: lol

THRVGloryB: Guest5--yep, I'm still coughing too. Yes, shit your way to thinness. I wonder why Susan Powter never thought of that?

Guest 7: hair balls are terrible

Guest 4: ROFL!

Guest 2: LMAO

Guest 2: oh

Guest 6: LOL! I am sure she has!

THRVPashun: LOL :)

Guest 2: pardon the metephore

Guest 5: teletubbies....consumer mind control from hell fer babies...

THRVGloryB: Say, we're in a private room now. I can say anything I like, right?

Guest 3: lol Guest2

Guest 6: yes! those darn triplets of mine..LOL

THRVGloryB: Teletubbies: now THAT is perverted!

THRVPashun: yes you can...TOS is not applicable here :)

THRVGloryB: YAY!

Guest 4: cool : )

Guest 6: LOL anything goes

Guest 1: GloryB, you'll NEVER be a shadow of your sadistic self! lol!

Guest 2: ~ has a seat to listen er read actually~

Guest 5: ojoy, now the truth comes out...

THRVGloryB: Even my dog is disgusted with me. :-) It's quite charming, really.

Guest 6: OH no! bad dog! He needs a spanking

Guest 1: Bobo???

Guest 5: actually Guest2, I never metaphor I didn't like...

THRVGloryB: Somehow it just doesn't seem fair for a Mistress to be in this condition! Shouldn't it be my slaves?

THRVPashun: ewwww..Guest 5:)

Guest 3: oh Guest5 booo

THRVGloryB: Yes, little Bobo.

Guest 2: oh? how many phors have you met? Lol

Guest 5: LOL

THRVGloryB: At least with a slave, you can put him in a diaper.

Guest 5: 4

Guest 2: omg

Guest 4: lol

Guest 7: lol

THRVGloryB: Yes, Guest2?

Guest 6: LOL! That is true

Guest 4: gads, has everybody been drinking tonight? No, not you glory, I know.

Guest 2: ~ winkie winx~

THRVGloryB: I'm sure that there is a slave somewhere out there for whom...this would be a dream come true, no?

Guest 6: LOL

Guest 2: Certainly

THRVGloryB: You can tell the flu has gone to my head, folks. :-)

THRVGloryB: <--feeling mighty silly

Guest 2: There!!!!

Guest 6: Guest is my online slave.....say hi Mous.

Guest 3: Hello

THRVGloryB: Guest4, I don't have enough electrolytes in my body right now..to turn on a light.

Guest 3: greetings Guest2

Guest 5: she is away from the screen, she'll brb

THRVGloryB: So (rubbing hands) what would y'all like to talk about... now that the immediate room-trauma has passed? I'll just keep a port-a-potty handy so I can keep typing. :-)

Guest 5: cruel nastiness of course

Guest 2: hmmmmm

Guest 8: i always have questions

Guest 6: LOL

THRVPashun: We like questions :)

THRVGloryB: We live for questions!

Guest 6: Gloy...I have an idea for you...

THRVGloryB: Yes, Guest6?

Guest 6: I think you should write a sadistic comedic book....you sure make us all laugh...

THRVPashun: you mean in her spare time, Guest6? :) LOL

THRVGloryB: As the pundits have oft said, "laughter is the best medicine"

Guest 6: yes...just in her "spare" time

Guest 2: oooooo like the R Crumb comix, of old?

THRVGloryB: Crumb is one of my heroes, Guest2!

Guest 5: mine too

THRVGloryB: Actually, to be honest, the last couple of weeks have... been one of the worst times of my life... which is why I keep joking and joking.

Guest 2: Mine too I was a normal young man till Crumb

Guest 6: yes...something like that...

Guest 5: why

Guest 4: : (

THRVPashun: :( {{{Gloria}}}}

Guest 8: oh Glory

Guest 6: oh no...sorry to hear about that...

Guest 7: whats normal?

THRVGloryB: Yep. Pretty rough.

Guest 7: sick?

Guest 3: sorry to hear tht Ms Glory

THRVGloryB: The flu was part of it. This was one heckuva flu. But my dad is dying. That's been the horrible part.

Guest 6: Life gets pretty sucky at times...I know that for a fact....as we all do, I am sure...

Guest 2: oh no been there done that

Guest 6: OH...no...I am sorry.... How old was he?

THRVPashun: I am so sorry to hear that

Guest 4: sorry to hear it Glory.

Guest 3: i am so sorry Ms Glory

THRVGloryB: he's got Alzheimer's. he's 78, Guest6. The disease just took a major turn for the worse. Pretty gruesome.

Guest 4: ouch.

Guest 5: and damn

Guest 6: oh...my grandmother died this year..she had Alzheimers

THRVPashun: Gloria...you are here now with people who adore you...let us give you strength :)

Guest 6: such a terrible disease

THRVGloryB: Awwwww. Thanks, Pashie. Guest6, did she go through a phase of being violent?

Guest 6: Yes...very much so....there was a time when I was working in the ER and had gone to her hospital room to check on her and she started screaming at me telling me I was an awful person she told me that I should go to hell for all the trouble I put my parents through and then she told me that she hated me and wanted me to die

Guest 7: hey glory, don't ever think that you are ready for it to happen.....

THRVPashun: oh Guest6 ;(

THRVGloryB: Oh my! How sad. OH! You poor thing.

Guest 5: Guest6, you knew it was the illness and not the reality right?

Guest 2: It is important to remember good times when this happens, or shortly after My dad didn't even recognize me

THRVGloryB: My dad has tried to strangle people. :-(

Guest 6: Yeah...it was a sad sight...kept telling me it was her illness, yes..but I will never forget and before the illness, she was beautiful..and the most loving woman any person has ever met everyone loved her...strangers adored her...very sad

THRVGloryB: It's hard to reconcile the person my father was for most of his life... with the very violent, aggressive person he is now.

Guest 5: Glory, do you have people around you with good counseling skills?

THRVGloryB: That is terribly sad, Guest6.

Guest 9: hi everyone.. thanks for the link Guest 2: )

THRVPashun: hi Guest9...glad you found us ;)

Guest 6: Yes....I totally understand

Guest 9: thanks : )

THRVGloryB: Guest5, my family is all in New York. I'm alone here (well, with Will and friends, etc.). Hi, Guest9. Sorry, you've walked in on a morbid conversation.

Guest 6: thanks glory....

Guest 5: that makes it difficult

Guest 1: GOOD friends ... :-)

Guest 9: thats okay a lot of my life has been morbid

THRVGloryB: VERY good friends. Cuddling my dog is sometimes the best therapy in the world for me. :-)

Guest 8: mind if I add something about saying things when one is ill?

Guest 9: pets are wonderful therapy : )

Guest 1: Ohhhh ... thank you :-)

THRVGloryB: Sure, Guest8. Go ahead!

Guest 8: after a baby I had an epidural headache that lasted for days after it finally responded to treatment...i was told I said horrible things things I never consciously thought all I remember was seeing screaming gargoyles

THRVGloryB: Oh dear. :-(

Guest 9: oh how awful

Guest 4: you sure that was an epidural they gave you Guest8?

Guest 8: so keep this in mind when these folks say awful things. yes

Guest 4: ...sometimes it really messes up but anyway

THRVPashun: Guest8, good point.. illness and medication can often change people

Guest 2: ~ nods~

THRVGloryB: Well....my family (sister and mother) aren't making things easier. I come from a *really* dysfunctional family. (No surprise, I'm sure)

Guest 5: what are they doing?

THRVPashun: all families are, I think

Guest 9: in some way, i would agree

THRVGloryB: They are being hysterical. I've always been the "calm" one.

Guest 7: then you need to be strong for them glory

Guest 8: ahh...my mother would scream my father wasn't dying they don't edit their emotions

THRVGloryB: That's a good way to put it, Guest8. let me ask folks...do any of you feel your parents' dynfunctionality... has had any impact on your own sexual identities?

Guest 9: that, and the calm one gets a lot of responsibility and weight to carry

Guest 2: I do!

Guest 4: yep. don't we all?

Guest 4: oh. that.

Guest 8: my mother had munchausen syndrome by proxy...it certainly has

Guest 5: yes definately.

THRVGloryB: In my case, I'd say that ever since I was a very tiny child... my family saw me as the calm, controlled one, and turned to me... for decisions they couldn't make.

Guest 9: OMG yes... my Mom is the Dominant role in the family and my dad is a more "submissive" emotionally

Guest 5: you were the adult all along

THRVGloryB: I think it had an enormous influence on my need to be in control. Pretty much, Guest5. Being "childish" was frowned on in my household. Guest9--that's true in my family too. Though my mom is very childish herself.

Guest 4: wow...and with me it was the exact opposite.

Guest 8: but Glory...I was like that as a child and now I have a need to submit to a man

Guest 9: I had so much responsibility cause i was the good kid and took on the burdens of my mom's emotions that my dad wouldn't listen to

Guest 2: hmmmm In my case, the absence of control, led me to have to BE in control

Guest 5: nature and nurture again, the combination of predisposition and environment...

THRVGloryB: Guest2--no one was in control in your family?

Guest 9: oy that makes for odd dynamics too

Guest 2: newp, it was a mess

Guest 2: things got done somehow

THRVGloryB: Oy is the word, Guest9. :-)

Guest 9: Indeed : ) Mine is control.. I wanted a safe place to give it up with a Dominant man

Guest 8: for me there was no one to really trust as a child...a big kick in d/s is the trust

Guest 5: interesting comment Guest8...

Guest 6: Your family sounds like mine Gloria.

Guest 8: I've never trusted anyone so before

THRVGloryB: Guest9, I think with me, it developed into a sense that if I let anyone else...control anything it will be sure to get messed up. I'm a real control freak.... in all areas of my life, not just sexually.

Guest 6: I used to think my family was like the Brady Bunch and now I realize how messed up it was

Guest 2: Yah what you said!!

Guest 4: lol

Guest 7: I trusted someone ONCE

THRVGloryB: What happened, Guest7?

Guest 9: I'm a HUGE control freak... just being sexually submissive is like my outlet so I relate to you Glory.. I just went out the other branch on the tree : )

Guest 7: I got burned

THRVPashun: Guest7 and you will learn to trust again

THRVGloryB: I was also molested as a child...a whole 'nother story. So, for me, the dominant role is really the only place I feel safe.

Guest 8: humiliation and pain excite me...I'm sure that's connected to childhood

Guest 7: You know, I have wondered about that but it doesn't seem that way right now

Guest 6: Boy, can I relate to you Glory.

THRVGloryB: The deeper and harder I can control someone, the more of a high it is for me. Right, Guest1? :-)

Guest 1: lol! A deeper truth has NEVER been spoken!

THRVGloryB: Anyone else see patterns between what happened to them as children...and how it's expressed in their adult sexuality?

Guest 5: yep, all over the place

THRVGloryB: Although I don't believe all D&S'ers were "abused" (as some people claim)... I do think family dynamics make a lasting impression on our sexual identities.

Guest 8: oh Glory...I just finished a draft of a novel that tells that story

Guest 6: I had men trying to molest me as a child...uncles, older boys, and neighbors

Guest 7: Hey glory, I knew a gal like that once, good friend, she was abused and neglected and she tried to conquer any male that showed her attention

THRVGloryB: Conquer him how, Guest7?

Guest 7: she would pour all she had into seducing him and controlling him the affection that she recieved only intensified her efforts

THRVGloryB: Guest5, Guest2--do you see things that influenced your dominance as men?

Guest 5: yes

Guest 2: When in 3rd grade I had hot water for breakfast a few times...there was no one in control.. the grownups were helpless it seemed, and I resolved to be in control of my destiny, not under the control of others

THRVGloryB: Will had a very troubled childhood too. He has major control issues because of it. Oh my, Guest2. How awful.

Guest 1: I had a mother who was impossible to please ... I think that plays into my need to please now.

Guest 8: my therapist once told me I had survivor's guilt and masochism was often a part of this d/s I'm discovering is letting me play out my masochism safely

Guest 4: omg...DITTO Guest1!!! and it's STILL the same.

THRVGloryB: Guest8--why "survivor's guilt"?

Guest 8: getting away from my extended family...and my mother had munchausen syndrome by proxy do you know what that is?

Guest 9: omg yes

Guest 3: yes Guest8 it is terrible

Guest 4: yep

THRVGloryB: Yes, Guest8, I do. Did your mom drag you to a lot of doctors/hospitals? It is an awful thing. Very frightening to a child.

Guest 8: yes

Guest 5: rough place to grow in Guest8...

Guest 7: so what is it? call me the idiot of the bunch I guess

Guest 8: she thought she was being a good mother but I find pain and humiliation arousing

THRVGloryB: Guest7, Munchausen Syndrome is when someone... is neurotically obsessed with doctors/hospitals... They will go in for unnecessary surgeries... constantly insist they are ill, and get doctors to prescribe... medicines and treatments. "By proxy" means...the parents will make the child undergo all that.

Guest 5: LOL, it is a rare thing, not many people know act it out on their children too.'

Guest 8: what my mother did was enemas twice a day for years until I started bleeding and convinced doctors there was something wrong with me

Guest 3: or have their kids go in

Guest 7: JEEZ! sounds terrible

THRVGloryB: It's a very sad neurosis.

Guest 2: I have heard that some will inflict harm on thier kids so that they'll be treated

Guest 3: to say the least, Ms Glory

THRVGloryB: Guest8, that is just SO sad. You must have been so frightened. :-(

Guest 9: but isn't it also like they don't realize actually the harm they are causing

Guest 8: but I got out of it...and my Master plays with what arouses me because of this I had metal rods shoved up my ass without lube to "stretch" me...that was the treatment years ago a park avenue procotologist explained this to me

THRVGloryB: OMIGOD, Guest8.

Guest 3: that was terrible

THRVPashun: OMG :(

THRVGloryB: Was your father around, Guest8?

Guest 2: ~ just shakes his head~

Guest 8: but...i also eroticized it not when my mother was doing the enemas... he thought i was ill

Guest 7: heavy pucker factor here!

THRVGloryB: Oh boy. Is your mother still alive, Guest8?

Guest 8: yes, she is

Guest 6: I am suprised you are still alive Guest8.

THRVGloryB: Have you ever talked about it?

Guest 8: not really with her...she gets euphemistic and I've actually forgiven her but with d/s...it's the first time I've fully experienced myself sexually

Guest 6: You are a strong person Baking, aren't you? strong emotionally, I mean...

Guest 5: wow, euphemistic... what a name for denial huh Guest8... my family is like that too.

THRVGloryB: Guest8, I imagine some of those experiences still figure...in your fantasy life?

Guest 8: absolutely ass raised on a table exposed for all to see don't think my Master doesn't play with this

Guest 4: lol....so what's my excuse?

Guest 8: I've gotten past the shame of admitting that part of that was erotic for me as a child

THRVGloryB: What an invasion of your privacy, as a child. That would have to leave a lasting effect on you.

Guest 5: I have long thought that D/s, with someone who knows what they are doing, could be powerful therapy.

Guest 3: sounds like a crime to me

THRVPashun: Guest8..there are studies that have shown that children who are abused often eroticize the abuse. That is not uncommon

Guest 2: I have to go

Guest 6: bye Guest2

THRVGloryB: It can be, Guest5. Though it's a very volatile area.

Guest 8: yes...but admitting it's erotic was a big step for me

THRVGloryB: I hope we didn't upset Guest2

Guest 8: oh my

Guest 5: the body betrays us by enjoying what we do not know is wrong.

Guest 6: Guest 8: were you the only child abused in your household?

Guest 8: in that way, yes I was the oldest

THRVPashun: Guest2 is fine :)

Guest 6: In a way, that's good..that you were the only one Guest8...so as not to hurt your siblings

THRVGloryB: Oh good. This is a very intense chat tonight... I'm kinda glad we're having this in private.

Guest 8: I realize it's a strong topic...don't mean to scare folks off

THRVPashun: me too

THRVGloryB: Guest8, as far as I'm concerned, the truth is always important to discuss. You're among friends... I think most of us here are pretty strong individuals.

Guest 5: not scaring anyone Guest8

Guest 6: Yes...and it is good to be open and to share...

THRVGloryB: Yes, it's important to be able to talk about these things.. we SMers so seldom have an opportunity to really get into... these very deep, very private secrets.

Guest 8: so my childhood definitely impacted my sexuality I was really frigid before this man

Guest 9: that's so true Glory

THRVGloryB: Guest8, can you talk to your master about these issues? It can be so healing to be able to have someone... who understands and listens, even to tough truths.

Guest 8: I did for three years before I met him and I ended up writing a novel

Guest 6: that is a very good outlet for you Guest8...writing...

Guest 8: I've been a professional writer for years...but never wrote about this

Guest 6: wow....you finally opened up to listen to your spirit...it seems. How old are you ?

Guest 8: 43

THRVPashun: Guest8, you can help many people through your writing

THRVGloryB: Guest8, we're exactly the same age!

Guest 6: yes, I agree...many will understand that they are not alone. 43 is soooo old! hee hee just kiddng

Guest 8: Glory! why didn't I get into d/s before!

THRVGloryB: Yes, and these are things people are afraid to talk about.

THRVPashun: and I'm the REAL old lady here :)

THRVGloryB: Now, now, Guest6!! :-)

Guest 5: LOL, then I must be ancient...

Guest 6: I was kidding.

Guest 9: <~~makes no age comments

Guest 3: then I am ancient

THRVGloryB: Guest8, I believe that we all come to D&S when we need to... there is no right age for it.

Guest 8: I did after my father died

Guest 6: and only when we are ready...I am sure

THRVPashun: sometimes the things we are afraid to talk about are the things that we NEED to talk about

Guest 5: so true

Guest 8: but there's also one thing I've accepted...I went to therapy for sometime.. and there are some things that can't be fixed...my therapist warned me about d/s said I would fall into an abyss that instead she had to repair my self esteem I told her sometimes you have to play the hand you're dealt...and if d/s can do it...why not

THRVGloryB: Exactly, Pashie. Guest8, I very much believe in "playing the hand you're dealt." If I could go back and undo some of the damages... done to me in childhood, I would. But I can't... and since they have shaped my sexuality a certain way... the most positive way I can deal with it is... by finding positive, happy outlets for the needs.

Guest 5: Guest8, I have a subtle distinction for you...self esteem is about doing, self worth is about being, your childhood gave you a "being" wound. it probably isn't your self esteem that needs healing, it's likely your self worth, self image

Guest 8: absolutely, Glory

THRVPashun: very well put, Guest 5: )

Guest 8: the hardest thing I ever did was to discontinue that therapist and meet the Master maybe you guys recall my coming in here before I met him real time

Guest 6: We are all very well emotional human beings here, don't you agree?

Guest 5: yes

Guest 4: yep : )

THRVGloryB: Guest6--I'd say we're all very aware human beings. I think the people who come to this chat regularly... are people who have given a LOT of serious thought... to these issues...and, judging by the responses tonight... are pretty courageous about dealing with truth, no matter how hard or frightening it may be.

Guest 9: it wasn't that long ago...

Guest 6: yes, that too...lol

Guest 5: lights on and everybody home :-)

Guest 3: I wish you well, Guest8.

THRVGloryB: Night-night, Guest3!

Guest 8: oy...but there's been a shift in my d/s relationship of late maybe some of you others have experienced this

Guest 4: ...was going to ask but didn't want to be rude : )

THRVGloryB: What's the shift, Guest8?

Guest 8: well..to be frank...it was always...me...me...me...me going on about me with him and now he's going into telling me his own issues in detail but then he'll segue and become the Master again. Did I make any sense?

Guest 9: you see him sharing his own issues as not being the Master?

THRVGloryB: Good question, Guest9.

Guest 8: it's just new Guest9...it was always me going on about me he never went on about himself in as much detail

Guest 9: oh so you're seeing him in a new role? or another facet of his role is probably a better way to say it

Guest 8: as very very vulnerable

Guest 5: Guest8, the better you know him, the better you can serve him.

Guest 6: You don't like the new role he is sharing with you Baking?

THRVPashun: Folks...let's let Glory get some rest so she can be back next week feeling wonderful again! :) Thank you all for putting up with our change of venue! :)

Guest 1: Sounds as if he's opening up to you, Guest8. There IS a person behind the master.

Guest 8: it's not about not liking...I found it jarring I guess

Guest 5: even Doms need to be understood and known.

THRVGloryB: Agreed, Guest5. Thanks, Pashie.

Guest 6: Yes...Good night all!@

THRVPashun: night Guest 6:)

THRVGloryB: Folks, our corporate apologies for AOL's fuck-ups... I hope by next week the room will be back... and I will be holding down fluids. :-)

Guest 4: feel better Glory.

Guest 6: Hope you feel better soon Glory.

Guest 7: hey! made it for the close! Lol

Guest 5: ok, nite all, thanks Glory and Pash.. smooches :-)

Guest 8: thanks for putting up with me again...I think I'm real time for a whole month now

Guest 9: so easy to use.. no wonder it's number one!

Guest 4: night pash!

THRVGloryB: Congrats, Guest7! You're one of us now! :-) Take care, all. Big kisses all around... (and spanks to whomever wants 'em) Bye!

Guest 7: hee hee hee

Guest 4: night everybody.

Guest 9: good night all

THRVPashun: {{{{Gloria}}}} Please take care..


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